Tulsi Gabbard Took the red pill

[Det-Sog]

^^^ OK Will.

We're going to have to agree and disagree here. For crying out loud, even when she lived in Hawaii, and was denied a handgun permit as she was being threatened with her life, she still supported gun control. And my God she talks slow. I had to watch that video at 1.75 speed to get through it but listened to the whole thing. All I heard, was blah blah blah. I support the Second Amendment blah blah blah. Yeah, the founding fathers wanted this in there for a reason. She said her position is changing, and I believe that it might be, but she has still has not come out, and renounced what she used to stand for. Honestly, at this point, it doesn't matter.

In my opinion, she is not genuine here. She's got a pretty face, a good voice, and she's just looking for money and power like the rest of them. She's figured out she's going be doing a lot better monetarily by having her own talk show, and then hopefully getting picked up at somebody's running mate. If that doesn't work, she can keep her own talk show, and maybe end up with her own show on fox at some point. She's on the path to becoming a multi millionaire, if she's not there already now. Seen this before too many times. Money and power.

I will leave off here. Fortunately, most on this board won't be fooled. She's a Trojan horse, and when the time comes will fold like wonder woman on laundry day. I don't trust her from a political standpoint, and never will. Good luck to us all.

[hotbiggun42]

2018, vs current, see #2, hence "red pill" reference. Again, some totally willing to believe the orange guy changed his views on various matters, including "common sense" gun laws, but she can't and is just a grifter. May be true, may not be, we will see what we see, but quite the double standard many apply to those they like vs those they don't. She's never been the typical Dem, hence why the only Dem I tracked and didn't think was totally useless. Again:

She is like every other liberal only difference is when she destroyed Kamalah during the debates the Democrat party black listed her. She was finished in dem politics . Look she comes off as a likeable person and maybe she is but make no mistake she is a big .gov socialist.

[WillBrink]

Funny how liberals think the alternative to democrat is Libertarian. Libertarian is the far right who belive in very limited government and no social safety nets, they belive charity is the answer to providing for the poor. I agree with most of their stances but the differences between todays liberal and the libertarian party is night and day.

News to me, never heard a lib ever make such a statement. Libertarians are more in line with old school GOP types, but have views (usually on social side) they agree with Libs, and issues (usually fiscal topics) that align with Repubs. Hence, Libertarians are socially "liberal" and fiscally "conservative" which means we can't talk about guns with libs or abortion with conservatives.

[hotbiggun42]

News to me, never heard a lib ever make such a statement. Libertarians are more in line with old school GOP types, but have views (usually on social side) they agree with Libs, and issues (usually fiscal topics) that align with Repubs. Hence, Libertarians are socially "liberal" and fiscally "conservative" which means we can't talk about guns with libs or abortion with conservatives.

Didnt you say you were very close to being a libertarian but agree with some democrat issues?
Penn Gillette was a big time libertairian but in the end threw his support to Hilluary because orange man derangement syndrome. Joe Rogan claims libertarian but supported Bernie. I can list more like Bill Maher but you get the point. Hell im liberal too if you remove all social safety nets.
Liberals love to say we are all equal at the same time love to infringe on my pursuit of happiness by stealing my money in the form of taxes and gving to groups who choose to live their lives the way they want to live without reguard of consequences.


Curious what issues do you agree with democrats on

[WillBrink]

She is like every other liberal only difference is when she destroyed Kamalah during the debates the Democrat party black listed her. She was finished in dem politics . Look she comes off as a likeable person and maybe she is but make no mistake she is a big .gov socialist.

She was black listed mostly due to refusing to back HC for POTUS. No one gives a damn about Kamalah who was chosen for no other reason than an appeal to two demographics. I'd think more would like Tulsi in that she's a strong anti interventionist and has the mil chops to at least earned her right to have those views. She's totally against the aid to Ukraine, which has been a view many GOP seem to share. Unlike them however, she's been highly anti US intervention the whole time. Again, has various views that did align with party she was in, and it was always obvious to me she was in the wrong party. That does not = she's a perfect fit for GOP either, but may fit better now. Also:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...ight-explained

[hotbiggun42]

She was black listed mostly due to refusing to back HC for POTUS. No one gives a damn about Kamalah who was chosen for no other reason than an appeal to two demographics. I'd think more would like Tulsi in that she's a strong anti interventionist and has the mil chops to at least earned her right to have those views. She's totally against the aid to Ukraine, which has been a view many GOP seem to share. Unlike them however, she's been highly anti US intervention the whole time. Again, has various views that did align with party she was in, and it was always obvious to me she was in the wrong party. That does not = she's a perfect fit for GOP either, but may fit better now. Also:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...ight-explained

No it was the Kamala harris debate and since when does the GOP not support aid to Ukraine?

[Todd.K]

I personally will give her the benefit of the doubt and am hopeful her red pill journey continues on.

As a talking head that may be able to get through to some of the old fashioned Dem’s, sure.

I don’t even care if it’s all a grift for fame and money if she stays anti progressive/communist.

However if she is working towards political power then hell no I’m not giving her any benefit of the doubt. Nope. None.

[WillBrink]

Didnt you say you were very close to being a libertarian but agree with some democrat issues?

I explained it quite clearly in my last response me thinks, and will repost it:

Libertarians have views (usually on social side) they agree with Libs, and issues (usually fiscal topics) that align with Repubs. Hence, Libertarians are socially "liberal" and fiscally "conservative" which means we can't talk about guns with libs or abortion with conservatives.

Penn Gillette was a big time libertairian but in the end threw his support to Hilluary because orange man derangement syndrome.

His TDS came honestly as he had direct interactions with orange guy on the show and came away feeling Trump was a an A hole, not real bright, and unfit to be POTUS. I'm only paraphrasing vs agreeing, but I watched an interview with him on that one. He should have backed neither, but I don't have an issue he would not back Trump due to his personal experiences.

Joe Rogan claims libertarian but supported Bernie.

Never heard Joe claim to be a Libertarian. I have heard him say he was a classic Liberal, which is quite different than the woke loons.

I can list more like Bill Maher but you get the point. Hell im liberal too if you remove all social safety nets.

Are you claiming he's ever said he was a Libertarian? Cuz, ya, no. Maher is a classic old school lib, identifies as such, who if you didn't know it, might think he's a conservative by the way he's been attacking woke left. He, like a lot of classic libs, have had enough of the woke BS too it seems.

Again, there's views old school Libs and Libertarians will agree on, most of them social in nature, but usually due to different reasons. A Libertarian will support gay marriage because they don't think the gubment has any right or authority to limit who can marry who, where as a Lib will support is cuz rainbows or some such nonsense.

[WillBrink]

No it was the Kamala harris debate and since when does the GOP not support aid to Ukraine?

I didn't say the GOP does not support aid to Ukraine, I said a view some GOP share, such as:

https://www.businessinsider.com/mcca...ine-aid-2023-1


Lets see how many join in on that one.

[WillBrink]

^^^ OK Will.

We're going to have to agree and disagree here. For crying out loud, even when she lived in Hawaii, and was denied a handgun permit as she was being threatened with her life, she still supported gun control. And my God she talks slow. I had to watch that video at 1.75 speed to get through it but listened to the whole thing. All I heard, was blah blah blah. I support the Second Amendment blah blah blah. Yeah, the founding fathers wanted this in there for a reason. She said her position is changing, and I believe that it might be, but she has still has not come out, and renounced what she used to stand for. Honestly, at this point, it doesn't matter.

In my opinion, she is not genuine here. She's got a pretty face, a good voice, and she's just looking for money and power like the rest of them. She's figured out she's going be doing a lot better monetarily by having her own talk show, and then hopefully getting picked up at somebody's running mate. If that doesn't work, she can keep her own talk show, and maybe end up with her own show on fox at some point. She's on the path to becoming a multi millionaire, if she's not there already now. Seen this before too many times. Money and power.

I will leave off here. Fortunately, most on this board won't be fooled. She's a Trojan horse, and when the time comes will fold like wonder woman on laundry day. I don't trust her from a political standpoint, and never will. Good luck to us all.

Roger that. You did ask for a source on her changes in positions on 2A, and she lays it all out in the vid I supplied, when, how, and why. Trump never did that far as I know, so I never believed he'd changed his positions on the topic and just pretended to appeal to his base and didn't personally give a damn about or Rights there. I'm more inclined to believe her than him personally.