No, I haven't..but it does seem odd that when I was out shooting the other day, I had 2 pistols with me, the M&P which I had shot before, and the HK USP, 9mm. I had never shot any HK pistol until then, Yet I was able to do very well with it (It also has a LEM trigger) I was hitting pop cans out as far as 35yds offhand.. 15yd shot were easy, I don't know what's going on, But I was easily able to shoot the HK well, and I had to struggle to get the M&P to shoot ok... I've been shooting .45 for over 20yrs, I've got 3 other .45's so I'm no stranger to the .45acp, But so far, I'm not impressed with the M&P...
No, i think you misunderstood me or I didn't come off the way i intended with that comment. I'm trying to get across the point that while i'm a fan of H&K and do consider them high quality, I can look at a gun that costs half as much and for the objective things that I can observe that I pointed out in my previous posts, state my opinion that the quality is equal regardless of price tag.
I never said that people who spend money on HK = kool aid drinkers. There are a lot of people out there that drink the kool-aid of whatever brand they are a fan of and can't objectively look at another.
Well Right off the bat the trigger in my USP is better (it's a LEM) It came this way when I bought it, That alone puts it about a lightyear ahead of the M&P trigger, and for me, it hits what I aim at, something my M&P has'nt been doing real well for me. I'm not concerned about putting a light on it, I probably never will, so, that's a moot point. Fit and finish are about the same since both of mine are new I've no idea which one's finish will hold up better or longer. I look at it this way, HK invented polymer framed pistols about 30-40yrs ago. Before Glock was even thought about. S&W has been at it for about 5, who would you say knows more about them??
Did the M&P45 shoot low before changing the sights out to Heinie's? I had to get a different height front sight for my G19 straight 8's after it initially shot low.
I do like the LEM trigger too, and am considering a P2k in LEM to replace the HK45c since it will fit a full size light. I am a little concerned with the trigger reset being longer than a LEM on a USP or Hk45 series gun though, but I think the trigger has a great feel.
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How was the gun zeroed when the new sights were installed, Ralph? Complaining that a gun with new sights doesn't shoot to POA is, pardon the pun, missing the point.
Which isn't to say the M&P45 is a perfect gun for you. If you don't like the way it feels or don't like the trigger, and you've got another gun that works better for you, it's an easy decision.
Well, I'm not sure..I only shot a few rounds through it before I switched sights and then it was about 3wks before I got to shoot it again, (I'm working alot of OT) It seemed to shoot well with the Novacks that were on it what little I shot it with them on it...I'm wondering if the Heinies aren't too low... I've no shortage of handguns, and you're right I'm not liking the harsh recoil, or the trigger (which has smoothed up considerably from new) If I can't get it to shoot to my liking, it'll go down the road.. I don't keep handguns that I can't shoot well, there's no point in it..
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