Alrighty then. I am the infamous "Shane" referred to in the post. Just to give everybody an idea about me: I have been a POST certified Peace Officer for going on 10 years now, I have over 4000 documented training hours in investigations and advanced weapons and tactics, I have been to the majority of internationally recognized shooting schools, and I have put a lot of rounds down range through a lot of different weapons systems. This is not to brag, just to give those who don't know me a little bit of a background.
Mike and Greg are also both friends of mine. I have shot and trained with both of them, trust their word, and value their opinions. I was alerted to this thread and wanted to clarify a few things.
I am looking for a new duty gun (to replace my G17) and Greg graciously let me borrow his HK45. I took it and a friend (the red head) up to Mike's place to compare it to the M&P.
The ammunition in question is a custom load I had made up. It is 185 gr. FMJ with a hollow base. It is also loaded to about 650-700 fps for use in a custom LW 4" 1911 to reduce wear on said gun. It is what I had in hte back of my SUV so that is what I sent with.
I did NOT have a malfunction with either Greg's HK or Mike's M&P using said ammo. I saw Mike have two stove pipe's with the HK45, but did not see teh failure to extract.
I liked the HK45 EXCEPT for the thumb safety. You see, I have little girly hands and the rear (round) edge of the HK's thumb safety agitated the last joint on my thumb closest to the web of my hand.
In light of this I decided to buy an M&P 45. (I have an HK45 due here on Tuesday, and was going to sale it.)
Well I went to the range today with my Chief and the M&P (NIB, no manual safety, no internal lock, no mag disconnect, and 5 NIB mags). I had numerous problems. It would not reliably feed either 230 gr. Ranger Talon, 230 Federal HST, or my now infamous light practice loads that have stirred up so much hate and petulance. I had multiple failures to feed, extract, and stove pipes. The slide lock/release would only drop the slide about 50% of the time, and on a locked back slide (again, about 50% of the time) I would get a loaded mag about 3/4 of the way in and the slide would jump into battery on its own without cambering a round.
The M&P was , however, very very accurate, and the trigger was decent. I was extremely disappointed in its performance otherwise.
I have NO dog in this fight. I am just an American Law Man that needs a stone cold reliable piece to keep me, my brothers, and the Citizens that I am sworn to protect safe from evil doers. I could care less about who uses what and what the cool new kit is. If it don't work, I trash it.
Mike, whom I respect, has many thousands of rounds through his M&P's and he reports no problems. I believe him.
Greg, whom I respect, has many thousands of rounds through his HK and he reports no problems. I believe him.
At the end of the day there are many factors that can cause a gun to hiccup. If I can not trace it back to bad ammo or mags I get worried. I can trace the incident with Greg's piece back to ammo. I can not find the problem with MY M&P.
I would not have the slightest reservation about carrying Greg's HK on duty (if I could grow man hands, or work on that safety), and I would not have a problem with carrying Mike's M&P on duty. I will NOT carry my M&P however.
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Originally Posted by SOT364
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