Civil War-- New Movie- You see this

[ABNAK]

As far as the discussion here of a real civil war... to what end? Return to the good old days of denying women and minorities the right to vote? Return to a utopian society of Blue laws criminalizing conducting business on Sundays and criminalizing miscegenation? Get back to common sense gun control outlawing gun carry absent a special permit issued at the sole discretion of the sheriff? On and on and on...

I know it's popular to think in terms of Yesterday = Good, Today = Bad. Contrary to the notions of some, it's taken a lot of work and votes to liberate much of today's society from an anti-liberty yesterday. Be careful what you wish for.

Well I for one would certainly not hope for or wish to have my life turned upside-down in my later years. My wife and I have worked our adult lives to have decent "stuff" and a somewhat comfortable life, no desire (if it was avoidable) to be scraping for food and have no income while rotating guard duty on our property and house. That's not what I had in mind for my "Golden Years". However, que sera, sera as they say.

Having said that, it's easy to be critical of reminiscing for a return to the "good old days". Pretty sure no one would be advocating for revoking the voting rights of women or minorities, or for the return of Jim Crow laws; that's a broad-brush oversimplification.

How about this instead:
1) the dismantling of the Federal Stasi we now have, power is decentralized
2) minorities are treated the same as everyone else, no special carve-outs or excuses for shitty behavior (in other words no more "protected classes")
3) the justice system actually punishes people
4) a TIGHTLY controlled border and deportation of all illegal aliens (must do it the right way)
5) no more aberrant freak agendas shoved down our throats as mainstream, stay in the closet
6) a welfare system that is a security net, not a hammock to lay in for life
7) if we absolutely HAVE to go to war we crush the enemy and leave them in ruins, no more "nation building"
8) this country comes first, and all foreign aid is used as leverage (do what we want or you don't get shit)
9) fair, transparent, and unquestionable elections

I think those would be good goals for any "new society", but I doubt it would turn out like that. Soooo, let's avoid it if at all possible.

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Well I for one would certainly not hope for or wish to have my life turned upside-down in my later years. My wife and I have worked our adult lives to have decent "stuff" and a somewhat comfortable life, no desire (if it was avoidable) to be scraping for food and have no income while rotating guard duty on our property and house. That's not what I had in mind for my "Golden Years". However, que sera, sera as they say.

Having said that, it's easy to be critical of reminiscing for a return to the "good old days". Pretty sure no one would be advocating for revoking the voting rights of women or minorities, or for the return of Jim Crow laws; that's a broad-brush oversimplification.

How about this instead:
1) the dismantling of the Federal Stasi we now have, power is decentralized
2) minorities are treated the same as everyone else, no special carve-outs or excuses for shitty behavior (in other words no more "protected classes")
3) the justice system actually punishes people
4) a TIGHTLY controlled border and deportation of all illegal aliens (must do it the right way)
5) no more aberrant freak agendas shoved down our throats as mainstream, stay in the closet
6) a welfare system that is a security net, not a hammock to lay in for life
7) if we absolutely HAVE to go to war we crush the enemy and leave them in ruins, no more "nation building"
8) this country comes first, and all foreign aid is used as leverage (do what we want or you don't get shit)
9) fair, transparent, and unquestionable elections

I think those would be good goals for any "new society", but I doubt it would turn out like that. Soooo, let's avoid it if at all possible.

Right. The notion that the victors of a civil war will necessarily want the America that you or I want is just wishful thinking.

The things I mentioned and an endless list of other anti-liberty examples isn't ancient history. There was major opposition to the Civil Rights act of 1965 that outlawed discriminatory voting practices adopted by southern states after our last civil war. Here in the county I live in we finally flushed the last of the Blue laws only 20 years ago. There was major opposition, particularly among religious groups. Most of America didn't even have Shall Issue until the mid to late 1990s, and of course there continues to be major opposition to anything spelled g u n.

[SteyrAUG]

How about this instead:
1) the dismantling of the Federal Stasi we now have, power is decentralized
2) minorities are treated the same as everyone else, no special carve-outs or excuses for shitty behavior (in other words no more "protected classes")
3) the justice system actually punishes people
4) a TIGHTLY controlled border and deportation of all illegal aliens (must do it the right way)
5) no more aberrant freak agendas shoved down our throats as mainstream, stay in the closet
6) a welfare system that is a security net, not a hammock to lay in for life
7) if we absolutely HAVE to go to war we crush the enemy and leave them in ruins, no more "nation building"
8) this country comes first, and all foreign aid is used as leverage (do what we want or you don't get shit)
9) fair, transparent, and unquestionable elections

I think we can come up with LOTS of corrections. The problem as I see it is based upon majority opinion of this country we cannot vote ourselves to that conclusion and I doubt very much we can shoot our way to something better.

I think we could start a shooting war if we wanted, lots of discontent out there. But we can't even get GOP candidates that we like, who do you think is gonna be your leader in any civil war 2.0? And if by some miracle you actually get a genuine move back to constitutional reformations it will get hijacked by the equivalent of 4chan, Anon, etc. into something you'd never support so fast it would amaze you.

I wish I could see a clear and concise "solution", but I don't. In 1776 we were breaking away from a monarchy, that one I understand. There was a clear problem, a defined objective and a stated solution. If a civil war broke out this week, I probably wouldn't even know which side to shoot at. So until I see a group that I'd be willing to put in power by force, I'll confine myself to just shooting the bad people who find their way into my defensive bubble.

[ABNAK]

I think we can come up with LOTS of corrections. The problem as I see it is based upon majority opinion of this country we cannot vote ourselves to that conclusion and I doubt very much we can shoot our way to something better.

I think we could start a shooting war if we wanted, lots of discontent out there. But we can't even get GOP candidates that we like, who do you think is gonna be your leader in any civil war 2.0? And if by some miracle you actually get a genuine move back to constitutional reformations it will get hijacked by the equivalent of 4chan, Anon, etc. into something you'd never support so fast it would amaze you.

I wish I could see a clear and concise "solution", but I don't. In 1776 we were breaking away from a monarchy, that one I understand. There was a clear problem, a defined objective and a stated solution. If a civil war broke out this week, I probably wouldn't even know which side to shoot at. So until I see a group that I'd be willing to put in power by force, I'll confine myself to just shooting the bad people who find their way into my defensive bubble.

Honestly if it ever comes to that I see a split, a national "divorce". Maybe a loose confederation----I know some hate the root of that word but I'm talking in it's purist form, not THE Confederacy----of states, maybe jointly for defense or such. I agree that there is perhaps a slight edge to the side I don't agree with (and I can't for the life of me understand why they have those views), maybe 55/45 or at worst 60/40. Still, 40-45% of a population of 330 million is 132-148 million people who ain't gonna go along with it. That's not a recipe for success to launch headlong into an attempt to kill or imprison them. This ain't 1861 where the North had a 2.5x population advantage over the South. The current generations won't have the stomach for a war that kills the equivalent today of >6 million people. Just ain't seeing it succeed from either side. Plus, the days of "honor" and chivalry are long gone.....no "surrender" could be counted on to actually bring an end to things. We'd live in a perpetual Northern Ireland "Troubles" type of reality lasting maybe 2 or 3 generations until the hate wore off.

Like I said before and like you are saying, let's hope it never comes to that. However, I will not live as a commie.

[tkoglman]

Everyone should agree that we should try to fix our problems peacefully if possible. So, we should all be doing what we can, which is more than just voting on occasion. It means donating money to candidates, parties, and organizations. It means getting involved in campaigns and volunteering. That being said, the only thing worse than being in a war is losing a war, so we should also prepare for the worst. I’ll sadly admit though that I do a lot more of the latter than the former because buying guns and ammo and shooting is a lot of fun and the other stuff just sounds like work.

[SteyrAUG]

Like I said before and like you are saying, let's hope it never comes to that. However, I will not live as a commie.

I think the biggest problem is the Republic has been eroded too much and too long ago and the protections that were put in place, no longer exist. Hard to pin point that exact moment when people should have started shooting, perhaps the passage of the Dick Bill but I doubt many people even knew it happened.

Somehow we "mostly" recovered from the severe factionalism of the 60s and many things (but not everything) were improved in the 80s so it is my hope that somehow we can recover from the current state of ridiculousness, the problem is government (even good ones) don't like to give power back.

[Alpha-17]

Glad you know what I think better than I do. As you couldn't be more completely wrong, and are just going to tell me what I think even when I say something very different, there is no point in this discussion.

I'm sorry, that probably came off as harsher than it needed to be. That said, I still stand by my points. You say that '76 was a clear cut issue, but in reality it wasn't. There were just as many competing ideas and opinions then as today. It's only through hindsight that things look clear and simple. That didn't stop the FF from doing what they felt was right. That same guiding principle should be what guides us today. I think a major part of your problem is the hodge podge of opinions in your sig bar. You've straddled so many fences you can't imagine being forced to pick one side.

Well, I gotta say, that was impressive. We'll put, and I don't think I could agree more with your assessment of our situation.

I'm a bit more pessimistic than you, however. Though I do think that if we have any hope of returning to a semblance of what the FF intended, it would unfortunately necessitate what you suggest, I don't think it will be nearly that simple. The rest of the Marxist influenced West would never allow it to be. Any civil war in the US would never just be a civil war. There are way too many foreign interests at work, and they would not sit idly by.

I've always assumed the same, but Europe's inaction to Russia really makes me wonder if the unintended consequence of the Left cutting of the West's balls is that they simply are unable to act, even in their own defense. If Europe won't get involved to stop Russia, literally on their door step, I very much doubt they'll get seriously involved in a land war across the pond. At most, I could see coastal cities being occupied by "peace keepers," but even that would strain Europe's abilities.

As for our actual enemies and not our "friends", Russia sucks at expeditionary warfare in any serious manner, and China doesn't have a good track record either. That pretty much leaves local neighbors, and if that happens, the brush fire will just spread across the borders and burn them closer to home.

Changing the conversation back to the movie, here's a review from a guntuber I quite like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghWMkO-RF1I&t=1739s

Admin had too high of expectations for the movie. Not surprising he didn't care for it. People were expecting the next Black Hawk Down for some reason, when the best description is that it's a "cerebral war movie". I figured it would be bad, and was happily surprised it was simply worth watching.

[zombiescometh]

Sadly our type of reviewers seem to be stuck in an echo chamber.
At least wranglestars one word review “garbage” didn’t waste anyone’s time lol


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[Harpoon]

I find it interesting that Yankees still like to brag about beating the South in the Civil War.
But when the evening news comes on and they see what they created, they don't have anything to say.

[Averageman]

So, it's not really "About" a War, it's about "Journalists"?
So it's like the Marvel version of Reporters who travel accross country.
Wow, I just love how Journalists act like Dicks in real life, but in the Marvel Universe we all believe they are Saints.

Naah, Not this time.