Civil War-- New Movie- You see this

[SteyrAUG]

I'm sorry, that probably came off as harsher than it needed to be. That said, I still stand by my points. You say that '76 was a clear cut issue, but in reality it wasn't. There were just as many competing ideas and opinions then as today. It's only through hindsight that things look clear and simple. That didn't stop the FF from doing what they felt was right. That same guiding principle should be what guides us today. I think a major part of your problem is the hodge podge of opinions in your sig bar. You've straddled so many fences you can't imagine being forced to pick one side.

1776 was breaking away from a monarchy. That was far more clear cut than anything else. You say I've straddled fences and that is because I'm still heavily conflicted and have many unresolved conflicts such as who do we shoot, when do we shoot them and how does that restore our constitutional government.

Maybe YOU can tell me what YOU think on that one and help get me up to speed. I'd like to see your plan on shooting our way back to constitutional freedoms.

How do we organize, who specifically is the enemy and how will they be organized, who is leading us and who is leading them? I ask because I honestly do not know. But you seem to have it figured out enough to dismiss me as a torie.

Also the secret to my sig line is freedom. It's about personal freedom. If you have a problem with any part of it, that is the part where you want some other entity (church or state) to come along and take freedoms from us.

[Alpha-17]

1776 was breaking away from a monarchy. That was far more clear cut than anything else. You say I've straddled fences and that is because I'm still heavily conflicted and have many unresolved conflicts such as who do we shoot, when do we shoot them and how does that restore our constitutional government.

Maybe YOU can tell me what YOU think on that one and help get me up to speed. I'd like to see your plan on shooting our way back to constitutional freedoms.

How do we organize, who specifically is the enemy and how will they be organized, who is leading us and who is leading them? I ask because I honestly do not know. But you seem to have it figured out enough to dismiss me as a torie.

Nice attempt at a "gotcha!" I don't have all the answers, but unlike your "civil war is bad, m'kay?" level of thinking, I can at least recognize that the answer isn't just repeating the same failed voting practices and hoping for the best.

You still don't seem to grasp the complexities of the Revolution. It wasn't simply a matter of "break away from monarchy = constitutional republic. We had years of debate, controversy, and crisis to get to that republic. We faced military coups, foreign intervention, threats of the country breaking up, and even fears of dictatorships and our own brand of monarchy. We had apparent leaders that ended up being traitors, and nobodies that assumed the mantel of leadership when it was required of them. Neighbor fought neighbor, and the issue broke up families. You know, all the things that happen in a civil war, and a lot of the things you are worried about here.

But to answer your question in broad strokes, who is the enemy? We have many. The Left in general, groups like Antifa and their supporters in particular. Segregationists/Racist separatists groups like BLM or La Raza. The Federal government, or at least most of its bureaucracy. Many others are useful idiots, or just symptoms of the rot. LGBT groups, Illegal Immigrants, etc.

Who are the leaders? They have many, most of them stooges. We lack any real ones. If we had them, we'd be shooting by now. Organization is haphazard at best, but that's usually the case at stages like this. Things tend not to solidify until after the shooting starts. The Continental and Confederate governments are pretty good examples of that. Yugoslavia also provides a good example, as many of the groups that eventually broke away didn't actively start moving in that direction until after things started. It also provides a model for how different groups were able to hold on to their own lands, and go their own separate way, while the Serbs (the equivalent to the Feds in this analogy) tried and failed to hold on to everything.

So, as for your likely next question, what do we do instead? Get prepared. Whatever that looks like, whatever seems possible to you, get ready. Make connections with people, start having this conversation. At the very least, acknowledge that this possibility not only exists, but may actually be necessary. We are in for some bad times either way, but burying your head in the sand is never the answer.

Also the secret to my sig line is freedom. It's about personal freedom. If you have a problem with any part of it, that is the part where you want some other entity (church or state) to come along and take freedoms from us.

Freedom to choose doesn't mean your choices are the correct ones. It's that simple. Just because you can do something doesn't mean it is right, or should be bragged about. The fact that you think it is shows your obsession with self, and your ungrounded, morally relative world view.

[SpecWired]

A map of the factions in the film. Without getting into spoiler plot events in the film, the referenced grievances are the president had violated the 22nd amendment, was bombing USA citizens within our borders and suspended the justice department to bypass any consequences of checks and balances.

So the war isn’t a matter of ideological lines due to balkanization, but more of a coup to get the president out of power by force.

If I were reading between the lines, the California and Texas National Guards and people populations are the biggest, making them the most capable as a coalition for exerting force against the president and loyalists.


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[mack7.62]

I'm sorry but the North West is not going to call itself "The New Peoples Army" the commies in that area are going to be vastly out numbered and likely dealt with harshly. The first map released that area was called the Western Alliance and was leading the attack on DC.

[SteyrAUG]

Nice attempt at a "gotcha!" I don't have all the answers, but unlike your "civil war is bad, m'kay?" level of thinking, I can at least recognize that the answer isn't just repeating the same failed voting practices and hoping for the best.

Sorry, wasn't a gotcha. I assumed since you seemed to be advocating a civil war solution you had some kind of plan. If your plan is to continue to a "shooting war without a plan" because voting doesn't seem to be working, then I honestly don't even know what to say about that.

I've already done "get prepared" to the best of my ability, just waiting on a plan that is "morally defensible" to come along. Because THIS is the problem with civil wars, I'm not even sure you and I can be on the same side and we both have the same enemies. But you think I have problems with morals and I think you are fooking scary.

[Sam]

A map of the factions in the film. Without getting into spoiler plot events in the film, the referenced grievances are the president had violated the 22nd amendment, was bombing USA citizens within our borders and suspended the justice department to bypass any consequences of checks and balances.

So the war isn’t a matter of ideological lines due to balkanization, but more of a coup to get the president out of power by force.

If I were reading between the lines, the California and Texas National Guards and people populations are the biggest, making them the most capable as a coalition for exerting force against the president and loyalists.


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The bad thing about the movie was you have to read online to catch up on the back story of who, what, where, etc.

Yes the photo journalists were annoying, I'm sure that's what the script called for.

[Alpha-17]

Well, if nothing else, the film seems to have gotten some folks talking about the concept, and some of the scenarios being presented seem entirely plausible.

What a new US civil war could REALLY be like: Rebel generals defect to Trump after Biden outlaws 'terrorist' MAGA supporters... then Antifa start a 'kill whites' campaign. Far-right militias execute minorities. Anarchy erupts. Forget the movie...

Flanked by two marines, President Joe Biden steps out of the Marine One chopper onto the tarmac at Andrews Air Force Base to declare a national emergency.

It's 6pm on January 6, 2025, 20 miles from Washington DC. 'Four years ago, on this very day, Donald Trump tried to steal democracy,' says the 82-year-old Commander-in-Chief, removing his Aviator sunglasses to signal the gravity of his point. 'He's doing it again, folks. We must stop him, no matter what.'

From now on, Biden decrees, Trump's Make America Great Again (Maga) movement will be designated a terrorist group. The Trump-owned Truth Social platform will be shut down. All internet sites publishing 'electoral misinformation' will be blocked.

Biden reiterates that, contrary to his opponent's claims, he has been re-elected. And he invokes his authority to federalise the National Guard until order can be restored. 'I never wanted to do this,' he insists. Above him, two F-22 Raptor jets rip through the sky, heading towards the Capitol.

Hours earlier, inside Washington DC, the 'Take Our Country Back' march, attended by 50,000 Trump fanatics, had descended into mass rioting. Left-wing 'Antifa' militants, in their neckerchiefs, threw Molotov cocktails into the red-hatted Maga crowds.

Shops were looted and smashed. Dozens of corpses lay on the grass of the National Mall. The Joint Session of Congress certifying the 2024 election has had to be abandoned. Three Democratic congressmen have gone missing, presumed dead.

As Biden makes his address, the man he blames for the chaos and bloodshed is 1,000 miles away in Florida, reading out his own statement from inside his Mar-a-Lago compound.

'This is a sad day,' says Donald Trump, surrounded by heavily armed men. 'We never wanted to do this, but we must take our country back. Crooked Joe has lost — twice — and he lost big. They can't steal another election.' He thanks Governor Ronald DeSantis, his former Republican rival, for formally offering him sanctuary in the state of Florida. 'We love you, Ron.'

In South Carolina, a far-Right militia calling itself 'the Calhouns' — after 'cast-iron man' John C. Calhoun, the staunchly pro-slavery 19th-century statesman — starts lining up black people in the streets and murdering them.

In Portland, Oregon, an Antifa leader known as 'Che' orders followers to 'kill whites on sight' — even though he is white himself.

On Telegram, the only working social-media platform, Trumpists and radical Democrats arrange a 'live ammo re-enactment' of the Battle of Gettysburg in Pennsylvania. Seven pro-Trump U.S. generals formally break with the Pentagon and order their subordinates to fight against 'the Biden Tyranny'.

Riots break out in every major city across America.

Governor Greg Abbott of Texas follows Florida in pledging allegiance to Trump. Governor Chris Sununu of New Hampshire, a 'NeverTrumper', is shot in the head by a mystery marksman while giving an open-air speech in the state capital of Concord.

California governor Gavin Newsom declares that, while he supports Joe Biden, with the nation in chaos, his Democratic state — with its economy bigger than the UK's — must now secede. Alaska, more than 2,000 miles from the contiguous U.S., and Hawaii, 2,400 miles away, follow suit. The states are no longer united.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...chy-movie.html

I don't agree with everything this video argues (especially the idea that things have calmed down since 2020; if anything they've gotten worse, they just haven't boiled over yet). But overall, the analysis/though exercise is interesting.



So, to quote Isaac Asimov, "“Individual science fiction stories may seem as trivial as ever to the blinder critics and philosophers of today, but the core of science fiction -- its essence -- has become crucial to our salvation, if we are to be saved at all.”