To Glock or Not to Glock

[Defaultmp3]

If I bring the gun up & there is no dot or optic comes loose I would like back up irons.

BUIS != suppressor height sights. In fact, many argue against suppressor height sights, as they tend to obscure too much of the window, and argue instead for the lowest height irons that can still be cowitnessed.

There is also the fact that you can have a decent amount of accuracy using a slide index or the optic window simply as a big ghost ring. You won't be punching out the X-ring at 25 with such techniques, but IPSC A-zone hits out to 5 yards should be pretty trivial if you have a strong index.

As for the Glock question, I'm not a Glock shooter; I'm at this point pot committed to my P30LSes. I've shot maybe 100 rounds of live ammo through a Glock; most of my experiences have been with a G17T. If I were starting over at this point, I would absolutely get a Gen5 G45. The logistical support is simply unmatched, and drives my decision. While there are plenty of other polymer handguns that have slight advantages over the Glock in a vacuum, the parts availability, holster options, and possibility for modification easily trump any of the minor detriments the Glock might have.

[kirkland]

I've considered moving over to the M&P for a striker fired gun. Mainly because they have a decent factory thumb safety, which unfortunately, Glock does not. If Glock did, then I would accept Glock as the best all around option *for me*. Even though I prefer TDA guns.


Currently I have a SCD and NY1 tirgger on my Gen 5 G17. I could live without the NY1, but the SCD is a must. With the S&W, this (holstering and blocking striker/trigger movement) is taken care of by the thumb safety.

No thumb safety is a good thing. Draw the gun and shoot, no need to fumble around with a thumb safety.

[Ron3]

BUIS != suppressor height sights. In fact, many argue against suppressor height sights, as they tend to obscure too much of the window, and argue instead for the lowest height irons that can still be cowitnessed.

There is also the fact that you can have a decent amount of accuracy using a slide index or the optic window simply as a big ghost ring. You won't be punching out the X-ring at 25 with such techniques, but IPSC A-zone hits out to 5 yards should be pretty trivial if you have a strong index.

As for the Glock question, I'm not a Glock shooter; I'm at this point pot committed to my P30LSes. I've shot maybe 100 rounds of live ammo through a Glock; most of my experiences have been with a G17T. If I were starting over at this point, I would absolutely get a Gen5 G45. The logistical support is simply unmatched, and drives my decision. While there are plenty of other polymer handguns that have slight advantages over the Glock in a vacuum, the parts availability, holster options, and possibility for modification easily trump any of the minor detriments the Glock might have.

I've learned that with an aftermarket cut one can still use the factory sights with some optics. Would like verification, though.

[Ron3]

No thumb safety is a good thing. Draw the gun and shoot, no need to fumble around with a thumb safety.

No thanks.

I like DA or a thumb safety for extra precaution during holstering. Accepting a striker fired SA gun for carry is something I got away from for about 10 years but I am again because of reasons. A well-placed / functioning thumb safety isn't an issue, I've come to realize.

I may have a PX4 or two to sell soon.

[MegademiC]

I've learned that with an aftermarket cut one can still use the factory sights with some optics. Would like verification, though.

This is true for aeti cut and rmr, and sro on glocks system. Its not clear but a zone @25 is no issue.

If I bring the gun up & there is no dot or optic comes loose I would like back up irons.

They are there, see above

[crosseyedshooter]

You know you want to.

[kirkland]

No thanks.

I like DA or a thumb safety for extra precaution during holstering. Accepting a striker fired SA gun for carry is something I got away from for about 10 years but I am again because of reasons. A well-placed / functioning thumb safety isn't an issue, I've come to realize.

I may have a PX4 or two to sell soon.

I used to think the same way until I actually looked into the internals of a Glock and how they operate, they're not SA like other striker fired guns. With the internal safeties and the trigger safety it's very unlikely to have a discharge while reholstering. But I understand where you're coming from.

[Ron3]

I used to think the same way until I actually looked into the internals of a Glock and how they operate, they're not SA like other striker fired guns. With the internal safeties and the trigger safety it's very unlikely to have a discharge while reholstering. But I understand where you're coming from.

I do understand the internals and the firing pin disconnect that nearly all auto's have.

Much of the concern is my head. Distrust. That striker, held by the sear 60--95% gun depending, like the fingers on the knob of a pinball-machine. Should it slip, the striker slams forward. Did the disconnector spring do it's job? Does it keep the firing pin held back? If not, you may be shot. Or someone near you be shot or maybe catch a ricochet. It's decided by these mass-produced parts thrown together in haste and chance.

Or carry a gun with a hammer at rest and not worry about it.

Actually, I just started carrying my new M&P Compact .40. It has a manual safety. I've been using that when holstering, then clicking it off.

I ran drills (draw to first shot on timer) and I didn't the extra motion of clicking off the safety. It's not automatic for me after carrying for decades not having to do it. I'm hard-wired not to now & I'm not sure how many thousands of draws it would take for a safety sweep to be automatic.

It's really all about the first shot & how the pistol fits an optic. (Striker vs DA / SA)

[ViniVidivici]

Well I'll say, years ago when I carried a 1911 (in Condition 1 of course) strongside, I think I would have said "no way would I carry a pistol with no safety, up front, AIWB, chambered."

But I have evolved. I do it every day now, often doing physically strenuous things. No holes yet.

The Glock system truly is a "safe action" as advertised. 3 internal safeties that can ONLY be deactivated by a dedicated, complete pull of the trigger.

[Uncas47]

Well I'll say, years ago when I carried a 1911 (in Condition 1 of course) strongside, I think I would have said "no way would I carry a pistol with no safety, up front, AIWB, chambered."

But I have evolved. I do it every day now, often doing physically strenuous things. No holes yet.

The Glock system truly is a "safe action" as advertised. 3 internal safeties that can ONLY be deactivated by a dedicated, complete pull of the trigger.

Amen, my journey as well. Cover the trigger, at a minimum I use a Frickie "Zach" for edc on the farm, snap over the trigger guard, shove in waist band and proceed. A tether pops it off when drawn, every Glock I own has it's own, he makes them to snap over WMLs also. Unless you're doing drills that require re holstering they are GTG.