Sylvan and LAW Folding Stock Adapters

[SteyrAUG]

And that's exactly the purpose of that kind of setup in my mind. A short AR that you can store in a discreet bag and access quickly. I think the concerns about it breaking or being a weak point expressed in this thread are overblown. Sure, if you're taking an AR into the mountains of Afghanistan to do combat or something like that then it might be a worry, but in that type of situation you wouldn't want or need a folding stock AR anyway. For discreet folded carry in a bag, where you can pull it out and be ready to go within seconds, the folding stock design from what I've seen is robust enough that worrying about it breaking or being a weak point is gonna be a least concern.

The buffer is already a weak point from the consideration of things like drop tests. But now you have what is essentially an open buffer system where all kinds of shit can be introduced. To me that is magnifying the weak link. For anyone that worries about if their castle nut is staked well, a folding open buffer system is just nuts to consider.

[yoni]

My input on the Stern, is it can lay flatter in a back pack than either of the folders. This makes it easier to carry.

If for some reason I needed to carry a rifle in a hostile place covertly I would probable look at other options from all 3 of these. My Zastava "krink" lays flatter than the AR's .

[titsonritz]

I’ve always considered a folding stock as of the strengths of an AK over the AR.

[SteyrAUG]

I’ve always considered a folding stock as of the strengths of an AK over the AR.

Well any non buffer tube system. AR-18, FNC, FAL, HK 91/93, SIG 500 series, AK series, Daewoo K2.

[titsonritz]

Well any non buffer tube system. AR-18, FNC, FAL, HK 91/93, SIG 500 series, AK series, Daewoo K2.

Yes of course. I should have been more specific, AKs are the only other firearm in this class that I train with on a regular basis.

[HKGuns]

I have options, options are good, more options are better.

I already own folders, bull-pups and sub-guns.

I'm fairly certain my MP5K's are shorter than 17" but they're also 9mm and I'm sorry, but my HK's aren't going to be tossed around in my truck or backpack.

I figure I can get close to 2K FPS with 77gr bullets out of this which will mean bullet selection will be more important. Wanted to get to the range today but didn't make it.

[SteyrAUG]

I'm fairly certain my MP5K's are shorter than 17" but they're also 9mm and I'm sorry, but my HK's aren't going to be tossed around in my truck or backpack.

Only time I ever rolled my MP5k-PDW with a serious expectation of need was during the Trayvon riots in south Florida. I have a laptop bag that it fit perfectly in and 2 mags fit a external power adapter pocket. It was on my shoulder all the time, sometimes you just have to find the right kind of back pack.

When I was picking my wife up from work, had a SIG on my hip, my PDW in a laptop bag and my M4 in a rifle case behind the seat. Thankfully I managed to drive around hot spots when picking my wife up from work, but every day they threatened to block traffic on the interstate and you never knew exactly where the stupid was going to happen.

Other times during post hurricane events, I had a heavy plastic tool box that just happened to perfectly fit a 6920 size upper and lower with room for about 8 magazines. That went everywhere I went. I could get it up and running in a few seconds but more importantly a cheap looking tool box didn't get a second glance from anyone. One nice thing about Iowa open carry laws is they include long arms so I could actually sling a 6920 and walk through town without any need for a permit although I keep a CCW for those times my firearm will be concealed.

[kirkland]

The buffer is already a weak point from the consideration of things like drop tests. But now you have what is essentially an open buffer system where all kinds of shit can be introduced. To me that is magnifying the weak link. For anyone that worries about if their castle nut is staked well, a folding open buffer system is just nuts to consider.

It's still uses the same end plate and castle nut staking system for the buffer tube, at least with the LAW folder. You thread the tube into the back hinging part of the folder which is essentially a replica of the back end of the lower receiver with the same threads and the same hole for the buffer retainer and spring, and you tighten down the castle nut and stake it exactly as you would do if you were installing the buffer tube into the lower receiver. Getting crap into the open buffer system is a valid concern, but like I said I still believe it's very low down on the list of concerns especially if the rifle is coming out of a sealed bag or case type storage and then having the stock closed right away.

[stewartgilbert436]

Just seems like a weak point / choke point to me.

If I want a folding stock carbine, I'll roll a SIG.

Yeah that sounds nursk to me …


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[HKGuns]

nursk on your first post? WTF is nursk.

Made it to the range today to zero the LAW equipped pistol.... Didn't mag dump, but put enough rounds down range to zero and confirm. Zero'd this one at 50 yards as I do most of my RDS / EOTech equipped rifles.

Ran flawlessly, gas seems good, it does bark a bit with the A2 FH, but it is very tolerable for the shooter.

Avg. Velocity with my 77gr SMK's over 24gr TAC was 2035 FPS. This was higher than I expected. I have some 24.5 loads and could probably push to 25/6 to maximize velocity.

Overall very pleased with the way this one worked.