Sylvan and LAW Folding Stock Adapters

[HKGuns]

I have a both a Law and Sylvan and on my newest build I used a Stern Defense what ever it is call. I just drove 22 hours straight with me doing 90% of the driving. So my brain is fried.
I like the Stern Defense widget a lot more than either folders

That also looks interesting. I knew I shouldn't have started this thread. I just picked one of those up to try out on either a new build or an existing rifle.

[SteyrAUG]

The LAW Gen3M is solid. Great for a back pack AR. Especially a short AR9!

I'd rather just pull the upper off the lower. There was a preban manufacturer who came up with a folding AR stock but the recoil system was in the front like a SIG. The buffer tube is already the most common break point on an AR rifle, this just introduces more ways for it to fail.

[kirkland]

That also looks interesting. I knew I shouldn't have started this thread. I just picked one of those up to try out on either a new build or an existing rifle.

What is it called? Googled Stern defense but they got a ton of different products. There's also the Dolos takedown system.

[kirkland]

I'd rather just pull the upper off the lower. There was a preban manufacturer who came up with a folding AR stock but the recoil system was in the front like a SIG. The buffer tube is already the most common break point on an AR rifle, this just introduces more ways for it to fail.

Yeah but then you can't rip the AR out of the bag and flip the stock closed like a cool guy. Gotta fumble around pushing in pins and everything. Ain't nobody got time for that!

[titsonritz]

What is it called? Googled Stern defense but they got a ton of different products. There's also the Dolos takedown system.

This…
https://getstern.com/rab-ad-rapid-at...stock-adapter/

For a takedown there is also the Cry Havoc which I used for this build…
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...pired-Takedown

[yoni]

This…
https://getstern.com/rab-ad-rapid-at...stock-adapter/

For a takedown there is also the Cry Havoc which I used for this build…
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...pired-Takedown

That is it.
Wow last night after 22 hours straight in a car, my brain was just too tired to think.

[markm]

Kind of interested to get your impressions. Definitely not something I'd buy at this time, but good to know how they work in case I ever want one.

[Alpha-17]

Just seems like a weak point / choke point to me.

If I want a folding stock carbine, I'll roll a SIG.

I hate to agree, but yeah. If a folding stock is required/wanted, the solution isn't to awkwardly bolt one on to an AR, it's to realize the AR isn't the right platform for the role.


There are other options. MCX Spear LT, SCAR, Bren 2, etc.

[Defaultmp3]

I hate to agree, but yeah. If a folding stock is required/wanted, the solution isn't to awkwardly bolt one on to an AR, it's to realize the AR isn't the right platform for the role.


There are other options. MCX Spear LT, SCAR, Bren 2, etc.

Depends on the role. For me, the primary reason I want a folding stock is to be able to transport a gun in a smaller package, typically in a more innocuous bag. It will be used primarily in urban environments, and likely to not be carried for extended periods under field conditions; instead, it will sit primarily either in a bag or else indoors in a climate controlled area. Its primary use is for self-defense, and thus it does not get fired much, either (I train with other ARs). Keeping it to be an AR allows me to have a much easier logistical chain, while also maintaining commonality of manual of arms.

That's why I went with a LAW Folder, instead of a rifle that natively has a folding stock. Is the AR-15 with a folder basically a band-aid solution? Yes, but in my case, a band-aid is all I need. If a folding stock is needed for more austere and/or generalized use (being carried as a secondary for a sniper, needing the space in a vehicle while being in a rack, etc.), I would definitely be looking hard at something else, but for my specific niche, with the rest of the benefits brought about by sticking with the AR platform, it isn't worth the squeeze for me.

[kirkland]

Depends on the role. For me, the primary reason I want a folding stock is to be able to transport a gun in a smaller package, typically in a more innocuous bag. It will be used primarily in urban environments, and likely to not be carried for extended periods under field conditions; instead, it will sit primarily either in a bag or else indoors in a climate controlled area. Its primary use is for self-defense, and thus it does not get fired much, either (I train with other ARs). Keeping it to be an AR allows me to have a much easier logistical chain, while also maintaining commonality of manual of arms.

That's why I went with a LAW Folder, instead of a rifle that natively has a folding stock. Is the AR-15 with a folder basically a band-aid solution? Yes, but in my case, a band-aid is all I need. If a folding stock is needed for more austere and/or generalized use (being carried as a secondary for a sniper, needing the space in a vehicle while being in a rack, etc.), I would definitely be looking hard at something else, but for my specific niche, with the rest of the benefits brought about by sticking with the AR platform, it isn't worth the squeeze for me.

And that's exactly the purpose of that kind of setup in my mind. A short AR that you can store in a discreet bag and access quickly. I think the concerns about it breaking or being a weak point expressed in this thread are overblown. Sure, if you're taking an AR into the mountains of Afghanistan to do combat or something like that then it might be a worry, but in that type of situation you wouldn't want or need a folding stock AR anyway. For discreet folded carry in a bag, where you can pull it out and be ready to go within seconds, the folding stock design from what I've seen is robust enough that worrying about it breaking or being a weak point is gonna be a least concern.