11-87?????

[m6scout]

I see a lot of info on the Benelli and others in the semi-auto world.My question is what is wrong with the 11-87.I have used one or Ducks and Turkeys over the years.(I know they don't shoot back)I am just curios about why it does not make a good combat shotgun......All inputs are welcome.

[Ttwwaack]

Reliability. That is why alot of sporting clays shooters call them jam-o-matics. Because of their gas system design after 75-200 rds you start to have problems. This was supposedly cleared up with the 11-87 but the problem is still there. You will be alright for awhile if you start with a clean gun. My Beretta 390 is alot better, 800-1000 between cleaning. I could probably go longer but once I start having problems, I relube, finish my round(s) then clean. I wouldn't grab a 390 though for a shotgun class. Although it has a self regulating gas system, alot of the operating parts are alloy. I don't know how they would stand up to a stead 2-3 day diet of buck - n - ball.

The recoil operated Beretta FP1200 and the H&K will go and go and go like that little energizer bunny. The Benelli system seems to be good. I have no experiance with it but I haven't heard any horror stories.

If you have to have a reliable scattergun, I'd choose the 870 or the Beretta FP1200. Once the 870 gets dirty, you just have to Man'-ual it alittle more. I'd like to get my hands on a Benelli though for a couple 300 rounds or so to see how it stacks up against Beretta and H&K.

Can someone clarify for me how the benelli operates, gas or recoil?

[sgtred]

Benelli is recoil operated, and the choice of the top 3-gun shooters.

The 1100/11-87 platform is probably the most plentiful semi-auto in 3-gun.

But in combat, for years and years no one has advocated anything other than a pump.

With less history and little need for 3 inch shell capability in a tactical role, the 11-87 falls behind the 1100 in popularity.

[scottp999]

Can someone clarify for me how the benelli operates, gas or recoil?

Benelli M4 is gas operated.

I looked at the M4, but ordered an FN SLP instead. FN seems to be right up there in reliability. The M4 is a great weapon but wanted to stay at a 1k budget, not 1.6over 1k and then 2-400 more for the original mag extension piece.

[hags]

Yeah, it's sad that one of the few American manufacturers is outclassed by virtually all of their competition.

The 1100/11-87 use outdated gas systems. Once they get dirty, and they do by virtue of design, they start to choke.

I have an FN SLP Mk1 that has run 100% on whatever I feed it. I have switched between the two gas pistons without issue. After awhile I found that it was unnecessary, I leave the heavy piston in regardless of what I shoot.
It likes to be run wet and really isn't particular about cleaning as long as it's well lubed.

[Alpha Sierra]

It likes to be run wet and really isn't particular about cleaning as long as it's well lubed.

Just like 1100s/11-87s. Imagine that.

[hags]

Just like 1100s/11-87s. Imagine that.

Ha, sure, until the O-ring need replacing.

[MarshallDodge]

I realize that your post is asking about the 11-87 but I have to give kudos to the Benelli as well.

I talked to a guy that shoots a lot of 3-gun and he recommended the Benelli to me. I didn't fully believe him until I got a good deal on a M1S90....it runs, and runs, and runs. Most of the loads I run through it are lighter bird reloads and I have had one malfunction in about 800 rounds. It was due to a wrinkle in a reloaded shell.

Cleaning it is a breeze and extremely simple compared to a gas gun.

I think the only positive about a gas gun is that the perceived recoil is less. My son has been shooting a Winchester 1400 12 gauge since he was 10, very easy on the shoulder.

[Alpha Sierra]

Ha, sure, until the O-ring need replacing.

My 11-87 never needed one in five seasons of constant skeet and sporting clays competition. That's approximately 7,000 rounds.

How hard have you used your 11-87?

[hags]

My 11-87 never needed one in five seasons of constant skeet and sporting clays competition. That's approximately 7,000 rounds.

How hard have you used your 11-87?

I don't use one. If I can't shoot a variety of loads through a shotgun without misfeeds or cycling problems then I have no use for it.

Mine would not cycle light loads, which is fine, I realize that it was not built for that. I sold it just the same.

I am talking about an 11-87P here. YMMV and that's good. I do wish Remington would update their gas system to something like the Benelli Inertia or the Browning/Winchester/FN gas type. The Berettas are nice too but have had their issues.
I'd like to cheer for an American (owned and operated) firearms manufacturer when it came to a well built and versatile semi-auto shotgun (built here).

That's all I'm saying when I say the Remington gas system is outdated. They should improve it or replace it 'cause the competition is eating their lunch when it comes to s/a shotguns.