The word from Federal on XM193.

[1911pro]

I tried to do some research on what the "X in XM193 stands for. I had been told and read that this means military rejected. Federals techs said that the "X" is to denote the civilian ammo. It is Lake City whether it is White Box A,B,C,D or whatever letter they are using today. The last letter is for packaging. Black box American Eagle is made by Lake City. I was told this in two diferent return phone calls by two different techs. " XM193 is not rejected". It is mil spec Lake City M193 I am sure some will doubt this.

[Jay Cunningham]

It is not military m193 ammo.

If it was, it would be labeled m193 instead of xm193 - right?

That said, it is usually still very good ammo.

[1911pro]

It is not military m193 ammo.

If it was, it would be labeled m193 instead of xm193 - right?

That said, it is usually still very good ammo.

You are right in that the military would have to use the ammo to make it M193. The point that I am making is that the box and letters are the only thing that makes XM193 different from M193. Their are alot of people who are saying XM193 is rejected military contract ammo. This is not the case.

[markm]

If it were military ammo it wouldn't have the NATO cross on the headstamp. M193 isn't a NATO round.

Thus, it couldn't be military rejected ammo. It's been speculated that the individual components didn't pass some spec prior to assembly. Brass too shiney, primers not sealed completely, etc.

But think of how many zillions of rounds of this ammo that has been produced. No plant's QC is that bad. I think it's a money maker at this point.

[Slater]

The local Sportsman's Warehouse has this type. There was a large stack of it and all other 5.56mm/.223 ammo was sold out. Seems nobody was interested, although I bought a couple boxes to try out:

Originally, didn't the "X" stand for "Experimental"?

[RD62]

I just left my local Sportsman's Warehouse and they had about 20 boxes of .22-250, about 10 boxes of .30-06, and about 30 boxes of .45 ACP, AND THAT WAS IT!!!

Not even any .22lr. The guy working the counter told me to come back Tues @ 2 as that's when their delivery comes in. He said last week he saw an elderly couple FILL a cart with ALL the 9mm that came in and buy it all.

If I found a stack of XM193 at my Sportsman's Warehouse, I'd shit a bird, and buy as much as I could without getting DIVORCED!

BUY MORE!


-RD62

[markm]

Originally, didn't the "X" stand for "Experimental"?

No.

I don't think any manufacturor wants any piece of "experimental" action when it comes to ammunition.

[bkb0000]

Originally, didn't the "X" stand for "Experimental"?

yes, in the military.. xm177, xm16e1, for example

[Molon]

I tried to do some research on what the "X in XM193 stands for. I had been told and read that this means military rejected. Federals techs said that the "X" is to denote the civilian ammo. It is Lake City whether it is White Box A,B,C,D or whatever letter they are using today. The last letter is for packaging. Black box American Eagle is made by Lake City. I was told this in two diferent return phone calls by two different techs. " XM193 is not rejected". It is mil spec Lake City M193 I am sure some will doubt this.

Those with critical thinking skills will indeed “doubt this” as your statement that Federal XM193 meets the mil-spec for M193 is in fact, false. Federal XM193 does not meet the mil-spec for M193 and a simple physical examination of a round of Federal XM193 proves as much.

If one were to spend a few minutes reading the mil-spec for M193, MIL-C-9963D, one would see that M193 must undergo and pass a long chain of quality controls in order to meet the mil-spec requirements. Pictured below is a bullet pulled from a round of Federal XM193. Take a close look at it.



Now, take a good look at a bullet pulled from a round of M193 pictured below.



Be sure to note the distinct and obvious presence of the asphalt sealant on the bullet that is a requirement for mil-spec M193; sealant that is completely absent on the bullet (and case mouth) of the Federal XM193 round. This aspect alone, disqualifies Federal XM193 from meeting the mil-spec requirement for M193.

[1911pro]

Those with critical thinking skills will indeed “doubt this” as your statement that Federal XM193 meets the mil-spec for M193 is in fact, false. Federal XM193 does not meet the mil-spec for M193 and a simple physical examination of a round of Federal XM193 proves as much.

If one were to spend a few minutes reading the mil-spec for M193, MIL-C-9963D, one would see that M193 must undergo and pass a long chain of quality controls in order to meet the mil-spec requirements. Pictured below is a bullet pulled from a round of Federal XM193. Take a close look at it.



Now, take a good look at a bullet pulled from a round of M193 pictured below.



Be sure to note the distinct and obvious presence of the asphalt sealant on the bullet that is a requirement for mil-spec M193; sealant that is completely absent on the bullet (and case mouth) of the Federal XM193 round. This aspect alone, disqualifies Federal XM193 from meeting the mil-spec requirement for M193.

To hone my critical thinking skills a little, I must ask what batch # of federal XM193 the round you examined came from? I am going from what Federal said on more than one phone call. I agree that lack of sealant would disqualify it from meeting " mil-spec". Can you also disprove the fact that it has a rating of 3165fps at 75ft from a 20inch barrel and an energy rating of 1223ft pounds? It is still made by Lake City and boxed by Federal. My post was to tell what Federal said about their own ammo and not put anyones pantys in a bunch.