Win Ranger Bonded 9 mm and .40

[Marcus L.]

The more tests I see, the more I'm thinking about going back to standard Ranger Talons and Federal HST.

[rsilvers]

So what is this new PDX1 ammo. Is it as good as the best LE ammo? Same bullet? Same speed? Sealed primers?

[Jim from Houston]

According to Winchester, PDX1 is the same round that you see tested on this page. In other words, the same as the "revised" Ranger Bonded that was adopted by the FBI. I would want to see more testing before using it, given the troubling performance that the .40 shows in Doc's denim test posted above.

[rsilvers]

Which is better overall from a Glock 19 - their 124 grain +P or their 147 grain? I am hoping the 147 as it has the additional benefit of being subsonic for sound suppressors.

[Glock17JHP]

I spoke with Paul Novak, Sr. Tech. Spc. at the Winchester plant in East Alton, IL, via telephone, right after he returned from the Shot Show. He told me, very specifically, that Q4355 and current RA40B are exactly the same ammunition, with the Q4355 designation being used for Winchester's Federal Government contracts. If that is not correct, then Mr. Novak misinformed me.

I did not ask, and he did not speak to Q4364 vs. RA9B.

It's Paul Nowak... not Novak... (Novak makes sights)...

[Joe Mamma]

It's Paul Nowak... not Novak... (Novak makes sights)...

Thank you for the correction! I read that and thought there was something fishy going on.

Joe Mamma

[Glock17JHP]

Which is better overall from a Glock 19 - their 124 grain +P or their 147 grain? I am hoping the 147 as it has the additional benefit of being subsonic for sound suppressors.

I would go with the 147 grain... and would choose the Ranger 'T' RA9T load...
After that, I would choose the Speer Gold Dot or Federal HST, also in 147 grain...

[Glock17JHP]

The more tests I see, the more I'm thinking about going back to standard Ranger Talons and Federal HST.

Agree, Marcus!!! I never left them...

[Jim from Houston]

I would go with the 147 grain... and would choose the Ranger 'T' RA9T load...
After that, I would choose the Speer Gold Dot or Federal HST, also in 147 grain...

Huge +1 on the NON-bonded 147gr Ranger T (RA9T)...and there's less to worry about with that one than the other T-series since it's design has not been modified like the rest of the T-series line-up.

I've seen multiple tests of the RA9T, different lots, tested by different people, over a course of years and the results have always been nearly identical (and impressive). That's the sort of consistency I want in a defensive round...

[Glock17JHP]

Agree 100%, Jim... consistency over the years!!!

I was told by a Winchester LE rep that the RA9T was the ONLY Ranger load left alone in the recent re-design...
The reason given for leaving it 'as is' was that it was considered optimal already...