SS109 5.56 A.P green tip

[Saginaw79]

I think you got ripped on the price

And its not AP

[lostwake]

maybe a.p isnt the correct term but last time i checked green tip nato ammo is steel core.

[sundance435]

maybe a.p isnt the correct term but last time i checked green tip nato ammo is steel core.

It's really neither. It is not a solid steel core, only a milder steel backing behind the lead tip inside the casing. It was never meant to be an "AP" round, supposedly it was created to puncture Warsaw PACT steel helmets out to a few hundred yards.

[Razorhunter]

If you bought 800 rds that would set you back about 520.00. That is a good price for M855 ammo last I checked.

Actually, I wouldn't consider that a good deal (price-wise), but that's just my humble opinion. I know you are usually dead-on Iraqgunz, but this is a much better deal, IMO.
Now I don't know what that stuff actually is, in the Op's picture, but we KNOW this is good stuff down below (Prvi).
The price is right too. $438 for 1000, (vs $520 for 800 in the Op's original deal)

lostwake,
Tell your "friend" that he's asking way too much, and negotiate with him a little.



http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.c...dir=18|830|845

[Iraqgunz]

Paul,

It's a good deal for real M855, which Prvi Partizan is not. Also, if you do not have a real 5.56 barrel and chamber the PP SS109 ammo may cause problems as it did in our Bushies which is why I had to ream the chambers.

Knowing now that the ammo is 20 years old, I would have passed. Of course my hook up on M855 is MUCH cheaper and it's 2008 manufacture.

Actually, I wouldn't consider that a good deal (price-wise), but that's just my humble opinion. I know you are usually dead-on Iraqgunz, but this is a much better deal, IMO.
Now I don't know what that stuff actually is, in the Op's picture, but we KNOW this is good stuff down below (Prvi).
The price is right too. $438 for 1000, (vs $520 for 800 in the Op's original deal)

lostwake,
Tell your "friend" that he's asking way too much, and negotiate with him a little.



http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.c...dir=18|830|845

[Razorhunter]

Oh wow, well I honestly didn't know the Prvi wasn't made to the exact same standards. Always thought it was.
What would be the difference? Performance wise, physically, or anything else?
I understand what you mean about the 5.56 chambers, but isn't a 5.56 chamber necessary for not only my Prvi, but also "real/genuine" 855 as well???
I'm not sure I understand what you were trying to say. Sounds like somehow you are saying "genuine" 855 WILL work in those unreamed (Bushmaster) crap chambers???? I'll have to look over your post again when I get back from work. Maybe I just read it wrong...
Either way, I am glad you have informed me that the Prvi isn't "genuine" 855. I always thought it was made to the EXACT specs as 855, and also performed equal to true 855. Thanks buddy.

[Iraqgunz]

Paul,

In order to be considered M855 it must pass Gov't specifications and be classified. M855 ammo is a classification and SS109 is a characteristic. We have 5.56 ammunition here from Lake City (MILSPEC) as well as ammo from Bulgaria (Arsenal) and Prvi Partizan (Serbia). All of the ammo is marked as SS109, not M855. So generally all of these rounds have the same make up, but only the Lake City ammo is designated M855.

For whatever reason we had large numbers of Prvi Partizan ammunition that would blow primers and fail to extract. When the Bulgarian ammo arrived we had the same issues, though not as bad. When shooting the Lake City ammo it almost never happened (at least no one told me that it did) and the only thing I could think of was the chamber issue. Once I had the Ned Christiansen reamer in hand, reamed the chambers and re-tested those same weapons, the problem all but disappeared. I also used one LMT 10.5 inch, one Colt 14.5 inch (built here) upper and two other 10.5 inch uppers that had 1/7 twist 5.56 barrels and there were no issues. The sole exception was the Colt that had about 6 issues very early on in the testing out of a total of over 1400 rounds fired.

Unfortunately I am too much of a knuckle dragger to get more in depth on the technical issues, though DocGKR or others probably could.

Oh wow, well I honestly didn't know the Prvi wasn't made to the exact same standards. Always thought it was.
What would be the difference? Performance wise, physically, or anything else?
I understand what you mean about the 5.56 chambers, but isn't a 5.56 chamber necessary for not only my Prvi, but also "real/genuine" 855 as well???
I'm not sure I understand what you were trying to say. Sounds like somehow you are saying "genuine" 855 WILL work in those unreamed (Bushmaster) crap chambers???? I'll have to look over your post again when I get back from work. Maybe I just read it wrong...
Either way, I am glad you have informed me that the Prvi isn't "genuine" 855. I always thought it was made to the EXACT specs as 855, and also performed equal to true 855. Thanks buddy.

[tommyh]

I have seen it going for 130 to 160 online. but then you factor in the 20 years sitting in the guys safe. I would rather buy it online for the same price and save on the 2 decades of storage.

Storing it isnt a problem as long as it is in a rubber gasketed container and not getting moisture in there. I have '75 linked 308 sitting in storage now that passes inspection everytime it comes up.

[Razorhunter]

Thanks for sharing that info IraqGunz,
I had not previously know about this, and appreciate your clearing things up.


Anyhow, tommyH,
What do you mean when you say your linked ammo continually "passes inspection"?? Do you just mean that you occasionally remove and fire off a few rounds to check the ammo for function? What exactly did "inspection" mean?
Thanks.

[tommyh]

Anyhow, tommyH,
What do you mean when you say your linked ammo continually "passes inspection"?? Do you just mean that you occasionally remove and fire off a few rounds to check the ammo for function? What exactly did "inspection" mean?
Thanks.

We follow the Technical Orders that the Air Force has written on inspection procedures to ensure servicability, to include inner and outter packs, as well as visually inspecting a random 10% of the lot during its required inspection intervals. if anything doesnt meet the criteria in a HUGE list of things to verify on each round, then whatever individual round fails, it is scheduled for destruction. if enough rounds fail, then the whole lot gets inspected 100%. if enough of the whole lot failes. it gets set aside until an investigation for the entire run worldwide can be verified.