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    Stagger M193 & M855...?

    Since my 1:9 (actually 1:8.75) won't shoot the 75gr TAP nor will my pocket-book support it, would the best available option with military surplus ammo would be to stagger M193 and M855?

    I have considered testing some 68/69gr loads, but not only does nobody have them for a good price nor do I have the reloading setup yet.

    According to some tests at close range M193 does better than M855 with penetration. On my rifle the POI of M193 and M855 are good out to 300yds within about 2MOA or less.

    Good idea?

    Also, where can I find definitive comparative data on M193 vs M855 on windshields, car doors and other intermediate barriers?
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    What do you mean "stagger"?

    I'd pick whatever you can get.

    I fired both through auto glass, and neither is worth a shit.

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    Out of 1 30 round magazine you'd have it like this:

    M855
    M193
    M855
    M193
    M855
    M193
    M855
    M193
    M855
    M193
    M855
    .
    .
    .
    M193

    You'd have 15 M855 and 15 M193 rounds.

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    Here's what the RKI's here are going to tell you. Don't do it. It's unnecessary and serves no purposes for a variety of reasons. Each type is different and they both have their own characteristics.

    Quote Originally Posted by 298436 View Post
    Out of 1 30 round magazine you'd have it like this:

    M855
    M193
    M855
    M193
    M855
    M193
    M855
    M193
    M855
    M193
    M855
    .
    .
    .
    M193

    You'd have 15 M855 and 15 M193 rounds.



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    Quote Originally Posted by 298436 View Post
    Out of 1 30 round magazine you'd have it like this:

    M855
    M193
    M855
    M193
    M855
    M193
    M855
    M193
    M855
    M193
    M855
    .
    .
    .
    M193

    You'd have 15 M855 and 15 M193 rounds.
    WTF?


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    Last edited by Cameron; 06-12-09 at 12:34.

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    There's really no upside to doing this.

    Some guys designate a spare mag to be loaded with M855, but I don't see any value in mixing ammo within an individual mag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Here's what the RKI's here are going to tell you. Don't do it. It's unnecessary and serves no purposes for a variety of reasons. Each type is different and they both have their own characteristics.
    Among which are different points of impact at various ranges given the same point of aim. It is all about shot placement. Listen to sinister talking about RUAG:

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    It's about the most accurate mass-produced 5.56 you can buy.

    Some folks are not too keen on its terminal ballistic performance, but I've never seen it fail to kill knuckleheads when placement is correct -- and that's easier to do when you hit where you're aiming.
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    I do not see the point of going through all the trouble either...
    As stated above, both perform poorly through auto glass and similar "hard" barriers. Use what you can get your hands on.

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    When working up close and nasty I know several dudes that use mixed mags, but the rounds they are mixing are much more effective at their intended purpose and they have a very specific application in mind. The difference between M193 and M855 is so little it makes the argument moot.

    If I needed ammo that is compatible with a 1/9 I would take a look at the 62 gr Federal bonded JSP Tactical (LE223T3). It is expensive, but it does better thorugh intervening barriers than either M855 or M193, and gives a very consistent wound profile. Since it is so expensive I would invest in enough for a few mags worth and to zero, as well as check POI at relevant distances in comparision to whatever you can get for training.

    Take a look at the 5.56 mm Duty Loads in the Terminal Ballistics section, as recommended by DocGKR. Lots of very good info.
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