XDM vs glock and m&p

[flyboy1788]

I know that generally, although it is quite popular, the XD is not quite as highly regarded as the glock or m&ps are when it comes to being a combat grade pistol/design by those who get out and put large amounts of ammo downrange each year. Just curious, does the XDM have any significant design improvements over the original XD that might decrease the likelihood of small parts breakage and increase the overall durability/reliability of the gun?? Is it simpler, does it have less parts, anything??

[trio]

the main upgrades to the XDm that I am aware of are


1) "match grade" barrel

2) different sights

3) ergo grip w/ interchangeable backstraps

4) i believe the reset on the XDm is better than the XD, similar in concept to sig's SRT...but I could be wrong about that...


as far as small parts and longevity go, to my knowledge, that hasn't significantly changed from the XD to the XDm...really, only time will tell...

I do have a very good friend who works for a major training center...he continues to report that the XDs that come through there are pretty consistently the bottom end of reliability...next time I talk to him I will try and remember to ask him about the XDm

personally, I would buy a glock or M&P before I bought an XD of any flavor,...

[flyboy1788]

the main upgrades to the XDm that I am aware of are


1) "match grade" barrel

2) different sights

3) ergo grip w/ interchangeable backstraps

4) i believe the reset on the XDm is better than the XD, similar in concept to sig's SRT...but I could be wrong about that...


as far as small parts and longevity go, to my knowledge, that hasn't significantly changed from the XD to the XDm...really, only time will tell...

I do have a very good friend who works for a major training center...he continues to report that the XDs that come through there are pretty consistently the bottom end of reliability...next time I talk to him I will try and remember to ask him about the XDm

personally, I would buy a glock or M&P before I bought an XD of any flavor,...

Interesting...btw what reliability problems were they having. I keep hearing about xd reliability problems but I can never find any concrete instances by using the search function on this forum...

[trio]

without throwing my buddy under the bus....


the classes that are conducted are generally for "operators" or professionals over a course of several days

over those several days, the round counts approach the 1500-2000 round mark

according to him, certain platforms were prone to small parts breakage, and severe reliability issues the longer they were run...one of the specific guns he mentioned was the XD...FTF, FTE, etc....i'm sorry I can't be more specific, but I didn't ask for more

i know this is the interwebs and the "well this guy told me this so it is now GOSPEL!!!" is common


all I can say is this

someone whose opinion i value and trust told me that I would be better off without XDs, and I believe him

unfortunately you will likely have to discover that on your own (or take my word at it...)...but if you talk to enough people I believe this opinion will be pretty consistent

[flyboy1788]

without throwing my buddy under the bus....


the classes that are conducted are generally for "operators" or professionals over a course of several days

over those several days, the round counts approach the 1500-2000 round mark

according to him, certain platforms were prone to small parts breakage, and severe reliability issues the longer they were run...one of the specific guns he mentioned was the XD...FTF, FTE, etc....i'm sorry I can't be more specific, but I didn't ask for more

i know this is the interwebs and the "well this guy told me this so it is now GOSPEL!!!" is common


all I can say is this

someone whose opinion i value and trust told me that I would be better off without XDs, and I believe him

unfortunately you will likely have to discover that on your own (or take my word at it...)...but if you talk to enough people I believe this opinion will be pretty consistent

thankyou trio, I believe you

[G34Shooter]

Plenty of XD related faults listed here:
http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=14204

[M4Fundi]

There are a couple of XD forums that can answer this better than I can, but since no one has replied I will try...I do own one for my wife and so far it is a pretty good shooter (hate the trigger yet eats any HP I put thru it) From what I understand there are no ground breaking improvements, but from what I've read they did listen to certain complaints about takedown safety. (typical they worked mostly on safety stuff to help get it adopted by departments and less on performance)

The ergonomics are a little better, little better grip surface (subjective), better sights, during takedown you do NOT have to pull the trigger to remove slide as before (is a good improvement), the trigger is allegedly a little better with a little better reset.

This is what I have read and from gun store handling, have NOT shot it yet.

If I had known that I could not get "factory" parts to be able to fix myself I would not have bought it. When I can convince my wife it will be changed out for an M&P (with the pink grip She like pink and if that gets her to shoot then I will load pink ammo

[trio]

If I had known that I could not get "factory" parts to be able to fix myself I would not have bought it. When I can convince my wife it will be changed out for an M&P (with the pink grip She like pink and if that gets her to shoot then I will load pink ammo

not to hijack, but out of curiousity don't you have the same factory parts problems with an M&P? to my knowledge, it is similar to the XD in that it pretty much requires a trip to smith and wesson (or other gunsmith) to be tinkered with and that parts are not readily available to us "mere mortals"...truthfully one of the things that keeps me on glocks from M&Ps is the fact that if I wanted the pro sear in an M&P I had to pay $150 and send it back to S&W to get done

[M4Fundi]

not to hijack, but out of curiousity don't you have the same factory parts problems with an M&P? to my knowledge, it is similar to the XD in that it pretty much requires a trip to smith and wesson (or other gunsmith) to be tinkered with and that parts are not readily available to us "mere mortals"...truthfully one of the things that keeps me on glocks from M&Ps is the fact that if I wanted the pro sear in an M&P I had to pay $150 and send it back to S&W to get done

S&W offers M&P Armorer's Courses and I was under the belief that SA did not have "genuine" armorer's courses for XDs and that factory parts could be had for M&Ps and not for XDs, but I'm sure the guys on here that are actually armorers would know better than I.

[jc75754]

I own an XD .40 full size and have only had 2 FTF. I have shot many different bullet types and weights. I bought 1,000 rounds of wolf ammo and shot all that in about 2-3 trips to the range. I did however break the pistol in using blazer ammo and experienced no problems. I attribute the FTF to the cheap ammo and have since then put close to 2,800 rounds of ammo through the XD with few problems. Don't get me wrong I like glock and M&P, but the XD just felt better.

Ill tell you like my daddy told me, "Opinions are like a@# holes, everyone has one but sometimes they stink."