Whats so great about the M&P?

[mattpittinger]

I am an M&P owner and official Kool-Aid drinker. I get asked all the time why I feel that the M&P is superior to the Glock. My usual response is not that it is not better, but rather that it has some improvements that I felt were good for the Glock "platform". For example, the stainless slide, REAL sights, interchangeable back strap, and ergonomics that fit most any hand. I know that we have a lot of M&P supporters on this site, so my question to you is "What is so great about the M&P?". Why have you picked this as your gun? How do you respond to the question "Why is the M&P better than a Glock?

[High Tower]

I don't know if its better, per se. But you touched on all the reasons I like them more. That, and its more left hander friendly. My hands just don't fit the Glock finger grooves by any stretch of the imagination.

[Business_Casual]

I am one that has come down from the kool aide high of the M&P. They are more mechanically accurate than Glocks. The main advantage is the incorporation of the chassis inside the frame and the improved and drop free magazine.

However, the trigger is worse, the rear sight holds in some important parts (and has to be removed to service them). In my opinion, the mag catch will have to prove itself over the same life span of a Glock - it just doesn't strike me as robust or wear resistant.

M_P

[pleaforwar]

OT - why does everyone with less than 100 posts feel compelled to tell us that they don't like the grip angle and/or the finger grooves on Glocks? Does anyone care or does that somehow add to the debate?

M_P

I have beat that horse into the ground over and over again. You never see service members crying about the grip angle of the M9 because it is the gun they are issued. They adapt and overcome. I laugh when I present a reliable gun and a proven unreliable gun (not talking about the M&P) and the individual picks the unreliable gun because it feels like pillows in their hands. It's a tool gents, not furniture.

[High Tower]

I guess I'm not clear on the issue.

If I'm paying money for a personal use firearm, I want the grip to be comfortable. Its obviously a personal thing since the grooves fit some hands better than others. While not the most important thing to look for, its still a factor.

Duty guns are an entirely different matter altogether.

[Business_Casual]

Let's stay on topic and not let this become an argument because of what I said. I apologize to all.

M_P

[pleaforwar]

I guess I'm not clear on the issue.

If I'm paying money for a personal use firearm, I want the grip to be comfortable. Its obviously a personal thing since the grooves fit some hands better than others. While not the most important thing to look for, its still a factor.

Duty guns are an entirely different matter altogether.

You see, in your case it may not be the most important matter, but for 99.999999% of the customers I have dealt with that is ALL that mattered with them. (I used to work at a gun store)

[HK45]

They don't have a choice. We do.

I was in the Marine Corps when we were forced to take the M9. Nobody wanted it as the 1911/.45 was the holy grail. The Marine Corps and many units went to great lengths to avoid having to use it but in the end were ordered to by DOD. So I guess the Marine Corps was crying about it and failed to adapt and overcome....the high speed low drag units that still use the 1911/.45 must have really failed huh.

I have beat that horse into the ground over and over again. You never see service members crying about the grip angle of the M9 because it is the gun they are issued. They adapt and overcome. I laugh when I present a reliable gun and a proven unreliable gun (not talking about the M&P) and the individual picks the unreliable gun because it feels like pillows in their hands. It's a tool gents, not furniture.

[Robb Jensen]

I am one that has come down from the kool aide high of the M&P. They are more mechanically accurate than Glocks. The main advantage is the incorporation of the chassis inside the frame and the improved and drop free magazine.

However, the factory trigger is worse, the rear sight holds in some important parts (and has to be removed to service them). In my opinion, the mag catch will have to prove itself over the same life span of a Glock - it just doesn't strike me as robust or wear resistant.

M_P

Fixed it for you.

My M&Ps are just as reliable if not more reliable than my Glocks. Factory trigger vs. tuned Pro trigger w/shortened reset and the Pro smokes the Glock even ones with a shortened reset and 3.5lb connector. The Glock is easier to repair as parts availability is better with the Glock as it should be since the Glock has been on the US market since the 1980s. A shot timer says I shoot a M&P faster and more accurately than a Glock. The timer doesn't lie.

[maximus83]

I am one that has come down from the kool aide high of the M&P. They are more mechanically accurate than Glocks. The main advantage is the incorporation of the chassis inside the frame and the improved and drop free magazine.

However, the trigger is worse, the rear sight holds in some important parts (and has to be removed to service them). In my opinion, the mag catch will have to prove itself over the same life span of a Glock - it just doesn't strike me as robust or wear resistant.

M_P

I agree with many of the positive reasons for the M&P that were stated above, and especially the LH friendliness.

About the trigger, I agree but in a qualified way: I think the M&P trigger is worse initially, out of the box. But somewhat similar to a 1911 trigger, I think that an M&P trigger has more POTENTIAL to be a better trigger than a Glock trigger. In other words, at its BEST, after it has been well broken in or especially if it is given a $75 to $100 trigger job by someone who knows what they're doing, an M&P trigger (in my humble opinion) is preferable to the Glock trigger.

I don't know about the mag catch; haven't had any problems with mine, but then I don't have enough total rounds through my various M&P's yet for that to be an issue.