Originally Posted by
ABN Monk
is that really true? my understanding was that there are no records kept by the ATF, only the local guns store? I get your point that there ARE records out there, but are title 1 records as accessible as NFA?
Not quite.
When I do a background check they DO NOT get the make, model or serial number. They know only that you are doing a background check to purchase a handgun, long gun or both. Could be a single break open shotgun or (5) AR-15s...they don't know.
Now from time to time ATF does compliance inspections and will inspect 4473s to insure they are being filled out properly. And as proof of that compliance they will often make photocopies so there is a chance some of your 4473s have been photocopied by ATF.
Now quite the same thing as the NFA registry, but just the same they could know what you have. It also stands to reason if you do 6 background checks a year (or only one for that matter) it is safe to assume you own firearms so you really aren't off the radar completely. This is why some folks will only buy guns from private sellers.
It is also important to remember that while we have bans on further importation of foreign military style rifles and had a 10 year ban on domestic production of military style rifles we never got a ban on ownership. That is because the government can get away with regulating importation and production of certain firearms (due to the sporter clause of the 68 GCA) but has no basis to ban ownership without running smack dab into the second amendment.
The second amendment is the critical difference when you talk about the UK and Australia and then compare it to the US. Like NFA weapons, eventually military style semi autos will be "regulated" beyond the means of the average joe to own one. So you either got one when the getting was good or you are willing to pay the price of your average car to own one. And that will suffice for the .gov as far as they are concerned.
It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.
Chuck, we miss ya man.
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