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    Status of Strider Knives?

    I don't keep up on knife news much so excuse me if this has been beaten to death. Can someone clarify the status of Strider and what went on between Strider Knives and TAG Gear? I was directed to this thread http://www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bi...c;f=8;t=000555a while ago, and reading the praise of Strider in another thread here brought it back.

    A knife like that is an investment and I'd like to know who I've invested with. Anyone here have the no-nonsense news?

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    Man, I did not know that stuff about him...here I thought he was an ex-marine.
    Regardless he may be a liar but his knives are sweet and he is a patriot giving a military discount that saved me $70!
    Just remember you are not buying the man...just his tools. Besides, maybe as an felon I didn't think people would be willing to pay for his art.

    I have met Chris Osmond- and I could say a few things about his negative business practices also.
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    WOW, thanks for the link. That will weigh heavily on my next knife purchase. I just can't see myself giving my money to such a blatant douche.
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    Mick Strider is one of my closest friends. To put that in perspective, I have been a full time cop for 19 years, and my list of friends with a felony conviction is exactly 1-Mick Strider. Mick is one of the few people who I allow around my kid. Mick did in fact serve with the Army Rangers. He has the DD214 to prove it, numerous Rangers who served with him, and it seems that the Ranger community has no issue with his claims-just a bunch of guys like Kevin McClung, Lance Harris, and Lynn Thompson who have never served in any L/E or Military capacity, yet feel the need to "out" those who did. Its called envy and regret. Did Mick do other "stuff" after seperation from the military due to an injury-yes. Some positive, some negative. There is often more to many stories, and this is one of them. In the many years I have known Mick, I have never heard him make a single public claim of anything other than his Army service and Ranger background.

    Many folks confuse Mick with Duane Dwyer, the co-owner of Strider knives. He is a confirmed former USMC Scout/Sniper (he has also been accused of being a fake and felon by the same crowd, I guess they always allow fakes to give speeches at S/S graduations). Duane is also a reserve Police Officer and serves on a SRT unit (we always give ex-felons badges). He also has experience outside of normal military service. Duane does far more shows and appearances than Mick. He is actually the one most have seen or spoken to at events, and he is very proud of his USMC background and loves to talk. The guy at the table drinking beer and claiming to be a marine Sniper is in fact Duane and not Mick for all the internet know it alls.

    I am going to be running Strider's L/E division, which should also make me a fraud, felon, and wannabe as well.

    Chris Osmand............seems to have some issues of his own, and I'll leave it at that.

    I always find it amusing in this whole thing that these "posers" are genuine rock stars within the military special operations community, yet a bunch of civilians and internet heroes are the ones throwing the most stones. I have been to several events within the most elite warrior communities in this country and seen with my own eyes the admiration and praise given to both Mick and Duane. Not because they make great war tools, its because of the other things they have done to support the military and L/E community that is never talked about or advertised.

    I am the one who wrote the article about Strider and their SOCOM connection. It was in error that it was actually JSOC (which later became a SOCOM asset as I understand it). I can accept that I am not perfect, but it is sort of insane to hammer Mick and Duane for a mistake I made in a 7 year old article in a annual gun rag. Anyone who knows Mick knows that he is very quiet, is not a braggert, is proud of the time he spent as a Ranger, and isn't proud of his mistakes. The guy makes a great product. Their knives are 100% made in the USA with domestic materials. They go out of their way to service the military and L/E community as their #1 priority, and run a business with several veterans employed in key positions. If that isn't good enough to compete with the internet envy and whining crap, then I highly suggest getting a knife from one of the "knife fighter", former CIA (yeah right) Action Jacksons that are trying to save us all from Mick.
    "Cpl ##### is condescending and abrassive towards coworks who don't follow directions" my favorite evaluation quote........if I'm like that at work, you should see me on the internet .

    "Even if I order you to trim your mustache, you're going to totally ignore me, huh".-another favorite supervisor "discussion".

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    Although we have spoken on the telephone several times, I do not know Mick personally, so I cannot directly vouch for him like NYETI can. On the other hand, I do know Duane from visits to SOTG, Range 130, Camp Pendleton; as NYETI states, Duane is a former Marine and current LE officer with impeccable credentials. Strider makes durable, reliable gear that works well for hard-use military and LE duties. You can purchase and use Striders without any concerns...

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    Once more the errornet is full of conjecture, suppositions, myths and lies, jumping to non existent conclusions and with- like all legends, some truth thrown in.

    FWIW, i have known Mick and Duane for a long time, and when they were making a few knives a month in the back of a storefront in Oceanside. From my very first meeting with them at Longboards, they were open about everything and held back nothing, leaving it to me to make decisions.

    I have first hand knowledge about what Mick and Duane have done for the user community- the real users. They have donated a tremendous amount of time, money and product to ensure that real guys who have fallen have been honored appropriately and that guys going out to fight the war that most only have nocturnal emissions about when they do dress up role play in the privacy of their domicile.
    As examples of the former, the Strider guys provided spectacularly done memorial knives/ shadow boxed for the Marines and Sailor of 1st Force killed in a helo crash in 1999. They wanted no mention of this then or now, but it is remembered by the families and the Company.
    Or the extraordinarily well done plaque given to the men of my Brother's Company, Squad 1, whose members were all killed by islamofacists on a beautiful Tuesday morning five years ago. The men of the Squad have stated that this is the one gift that they received that stands out from all others.
    Or the fact that Strider donates knives to the Sniper School Graduates as well as selected Rangers. Funny how neither the Marine Corps or Rangers- two groups of very tough hombres -have any problems, but do nothing neverbe's can make criticisms. I guess maybe you would have to be recruited by the CIA at age 5 to really understand the why's and wherefore's of that.
    Yup, Mick made horrible mistakes. He has admitted that and moved on. Duane is a reserve cop and SRT member and cotinues to add community service to his list of accomplishments.
    Grant has been asking Strider to allow him to carry their knive for years. Duane called me up a few months ago and asked me if i would recommend Grant. I did, and that is apparently happening.
    So, are you going to stop buying from G&R? Stop posting here?

    The disinformation cowpath means that everyone has opinions. Often these opinions mean that people shoot from the lip rather then make informed decisions.
    The erronet has been described where a place where people who have nothing to say, say it anyway.
    Sooooo true.
    I have many acquaintences and fewer friends. Mick and Duane are friends.

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    I suspect that us "little people" will never know the truth of any of this, and I as one little person don't care. I picked up my first Strider (a model DB) at SHOT and am very impressed with it. I buy products, not the person, and don't really care about any of the drama behind the scenes.

    With that said, it is always unfortunate to see business owners that can't just zip it on the web. It's no secret that I've had my fair share of bannings for speaking my mind on the internet, but if I were running a business that was tied to my "internet persona" and my livelihood depended on it, you can bet your ass I'd bite my "tongue". Paul Leitner-Wise, Dick Swan of ARMS, some of the AAC guys, and others spring to mind as people who's internet actions have only served to hurt their business. It is unfortunate that this whole Strider/TAG drama appears to stem from neither camp being able to restrain themselves on the internet.

    I find the Gem Tech crowd to be an especially welcome breath of fresh air in the way that they conduct themselves on the web. Despite being bashed on more than one occasion by owners and employees of other companies, they still hold their head up and rise above it. Even when attacked and provoked, they prove to be the bigger men time and time again.

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    You might note that the DB is named for Moderator Nyeti. It is also one of my favorite knives.
    FWIW, the DB-L is part of the USMC IAK, and one of several Stider products with NSN's..

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    Nyeti-
    A LE line? Do share info.

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    I don't have as diverse a professional portfolio as Pat Rogers, DocGKR, or nyeti. I am only a paratrooper and Non Commissioned Officer in the US Army looking at my 4th deployment in 6 years. I do not know, nor have I ever even met, spoke with, etc., Mick or Duane. What I do know is that they put out a superior product that I trust my life to. Two men who I have had the opportunity to train with and pass along the skills they taught me to my paratroopers, speak quite highly of Strider knives. One of them, Pat Rogers, has already made his thoughts known in this thread. The other is Paul Howe. I'd be willing to bet that neither of these men, given their backgrounds and clientele, would recommend a substandard product. I have no issues with recommending Strider knives to my soldiers. I want them to have a tool that will not fail them when they need it.
    As someone else said, you're buying the tool, not the man. He paid his debt to society.

    Now my only issue with Strider knives, loose one and you'll find one way a man can go into post partum depression.

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    Airborne Mac!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s
    ...I buy products, not the person, and don't really care about any of the drama behind the scenes...
    The older I get, the more it really matters to me where the products I buy come from, who made them, and what they stand for. I choose to support those that design and manufacture the good gear. I choose not to subsidize those who would copy others designs and market them as their own. I choose not to subsidize those who would do harm to others families by using the errornet to spread lies about them and by dragging up old debts that have been paid. I choose to support those that are patriots and supporters of noble causes, not those whose focus is so skewed by envy that they invest all of their energy into spreading untruths.

    The Internet is a very powerful thing. It can be used for good (spreading the truth) or evil (spreading untruths). It is used 24/7 for both. Many are blind to the truth for whatever reason and will never see it. In my constant quest for the truth I am very careful regarding who I trust. Nyeti, DocGKR, and Pat Rogers are three guys at the very top of my list when it comes to experts about gear that works (or not) and those that make it. If those three guys say that Mick Strider is a guy I can trust, despite the fact that he (like me) has made mistakes in his past, then that's good enough for me. I've never met Mick, or Duane Dwyer, or Kevin McClung, but the Internet and the SMEs that I trust have given me some insight into which are men of integrity. Likewise, I have never met the owners of Cold Steal or Maxpudition, but because of their involvement in all of this, and because those I trust have been vocal about them, I have formed an opinion of them.

    The world is really very small. We are all here in this life only a short time. I believe that what I do in relation to others matters; it matters in the way it affects others, and it matters in the example I set for my family and those I have influence over. I choose to vote at the polls and vote with my wallet.

    Oh, and if Osama bin Laden ever breaks into my home while I'm dressed up role playing, I'll be prepared with good gear made by the good guys.

    ETA: I guess Doc actually stated that he doesn't know Mick Strider personally, so I could only take his word for his impression on Duane Dwyer. I still find Doc's advise on gear to be right on almost without fail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aubrey
    Likewise, I have never met the owners of Cold Steal or Maxpudition, but because of their involvement in all of this, and because those I trust have been vocal about them, I have formed an opinion of them.
    the problem with the 'errornet', as we're referring to it, is that words stay for a long time - long after the original parties have come to understandings and moved on. i believe that this is the case with maxpedition - whose owner was dragged into the mess because of his friendship/association with mad dog.
    nyeti and i talked about this face to face a couple of months ago, and i also provided him with information that mick and tim had settled any misunderstandings a long time ago and had both moved on without ill feelings. unfortunately, since this private matter was not discussed publicly, the fight perpetuates without them. if mick said that he had no issues with tim, i'd have to believe he meant what he said at that time.
    this needs to be buried once and for all - and all the misunderstanding and ill will that surrounds it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat_Rogers
    I have many acquaintences and fewer friends. Mick and Duane are friends.
    I don't imagine a value like that comes easy. It works for me.

    It wasn't my intention to ruffle any feathers, or, frankly, to hit so close to home. Sometimes being a scotch neat type doesn't go over.

    Thanks all for taking the time out of your days to shoot this down [again].

    -T

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    The problem arises when folks like Lynn Thompson, Kevin McClung, and Lance Harris want to revisit it regularly. This of course drags Maxpedition and TAG right back in. Its always funny how the character assasination on both Mick and Strider as a whole has blown back in the face of those who started it, and then of course they want to make things all better with Mick.

    Mick is one of the most easy going guys I know (till you trip the switch). He is very low profile, and really wants no bad blood with anyone. He is also very humble in the show environment, and is always complimentary towards other folks work. Many of the feces throwers could take a lesson.
    "Cpl ##### is condescending and abrassive towards coworks who don't follow directions" my favorite evaluation quote........if I'm like that at work, you should see me on the internet .

    "Even if I order you to trim your mustache, you're going to totally ignore me, huh".-another favorite supervisor "discussion".

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    nyeti - brother, i agree with you what you said - i'm just tired of seeing mud-slinging, misunderstandings or animosity perpetuate further than it should. about anyone. or politics and private matters take over technical/manufacturer discussions.
    the result is always the same, never positive, and results in polarizing people.
    :sigh:

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyeti
    The problem arises when folks like Lynn Thompson, Kevin McClung, and Lance Harris want to revisit it regularly. This of course drags Maxpedition and TAG right back in. Its always funny how the character assasination on both Mick and Strider as a whole has blown back in the face of those who started it, and then of course they want to make things all better with Mick.

    Mick is one of the most easy going guys I know (till you trip the switch). He is very low profile, and really wants no bad blood with anyone. He is also very humble in the show environment, and is always complimentary towards other folks work. Many of the feces throwers could take a lesson.
    Ahh, the clarity! You have always had the ability to cut directly to the chase...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac679
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    Now my only issue with Strider knives, loose one and you'll find one way a man can go into post partum depression.

    Ain't that the truth, lost one a couple years back, so the knife ended costing me twice its list price.

    Pat, good article on the 777 and the Excalibur.

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    ???What article?/ I only write for SWAT, and don't remember writing anything titled like that.
    Latest article was about sub guns..

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    Just how many errornet forums is this converation going to be hashed out on?

    There is some theory that every internet discussion will eventually include Sex, deffication, Nazies and now the Stider/CS/TAG/Maxipad war.
    Life is too short to deal with Blonde women, or carbine barrels over 10.5 inches

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