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Whoops, brainfart. What do you call upside down dyslexia?
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I drank the .357 sig kool-aid by the gallon when it first came out. I was rather put out to hear the guys in the white lab coats say that it offers essentially equivalent performance to good 9mm loadings.
I was downright depressed when we did some medium shoots at Blackwater and I saw the similarities firsthand.
Speer 125 grain .357 sig load: 1350 fps
Speer 124 grain +P 9mm load: 1220 fps
Delta = 130 fps
.357 sig FMJ ammo, 50 rounds at Wal-Mart: 13.00 (Last time I saw it here)
9mm FMJ ammo, 50 rounds at Wal-Mart: 9.00
Delta = 4.00
4.00 x 20 boxes = 80 dollars per 1,000 rounds.
5 x 80 = 400 extra dollars per 5,000 rounds...and 400 bucks is tuition to a 2 day Vickers course, which, along with the extra couple of rounds in the magazine, I tend to believe would do me more good than the extra 130 fps of muzzle velocity in a real fight.
That's an awful lot of money for an extra 130 fps of muzzle velocity. Agencies, of course, can get different pricing...but if officers want to train with their duty weapon (and who wouldn't?) the choice of .357 sig narrows that option somewhat.
I'm sure that the NCHP has probably used their issued cartridge a couple of times and I'm sure that they've probably had good results from it, and I'm sure there are probably a number of logistics concerns behind sticking with the currently issued caliber...and that when you consider all factors as a whole sticking with the .357 sig makes a lot of sense.
Personally, I'm sticking to the 9mm until the guys in the white lab coats convince me that it kills bad guys deader.
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We currently carry the SIG P229 DAK. Yesterday the first group of instructors transitioned to the M&P and today they just completed armorers training.
BTW we have carried the .357 SIG since 2000.
Last edited by GLOCKMASTER; 09-09-09 at 15:25.
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I'm issued a SIG 229 in .357SIG. I haven't personally used mine on anything but targets but TX DPS seems to be pretty pleased with its performance. I wouldn't have necessarily chosen it and I wouldn't shoot it if I had to pay for the ammo but from what I've seen and experienced I like the round.
Last edited by sjohnny; 09-09-09 at 15:00.
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Was it 2 years ago the last time you were at Walmart? If that's what it costs in VA right now, I'm sending you some money.Originally Posted by John_Wayne777
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As I hear it its a nadda more than A 9mm+p+ load....
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300 rifles and it's actually only 1840 pistols. S&W corrected that today with a new release.Apparently they are going to issue M&P rifles as well.
Last edited by GLOCKMASTER; 09-09-09 at 17:09.
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Instigator.As I hear it its a nadda more than A 9mm+p+ load....
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Even through the panic it's been 8.99 a box at the Wal-Marts around here. Since the panic died down a bit they have 9mm in stock all the time now...although there's still a 6 box limit at the ones in my area.
Still a pretty big contract as pistol contracts go. It's a pretty big feather in S&W's cap. It would be nice to see some of the testing the NCHP did on the weapons.
Last edited by John_Wayne777; 09-09-09 at 20:20.
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Do you guys have a duty load selected for the rifles?
I know you were playing around with some bags for magazines last year as well - are those in the works as well?
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