I support this statement, by saying that when I was in Iraq I always seemed to let the muscle memory thing take over and just shoot at everything that moved, not just enemy combatives, it was in the beginning of the war so there were no negative points. Happy now? Thanks for ruining my day. Go piss in someone elses Kool-Aid!
One thing that I'm confused about is why manufacturers don't make 9mm FMJ's with a truncuated semiwadcutter type design as they do in .40S&W (actually Fiochi used to, and probably still does), or for that matter why more high quality JHP's aren't designed around the semiwadcutter type design, so that if there is a failure of expansion, the inherently superior cutting effect of the semiwadcutter design will be retained. I'd think that the armed forces, forced to use a FMJ design, would be all over the truncated semiwadcutter design for their handgun ammo.
And I can see why knife wounds can be more deadly than handgun bullets. A knife by its nature produces a highly lacerating/cutting wound, cutting everything in its path, whereas handgun bullets, especially FMJ's and low quality JHP's produce much smaller holes with much less of a "cutting" action, often just pushing tissues aside as they penetrate.
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I know there are vast differences between individual shootings and individual reactions, but on a hole haven't we seen that people tend to go down faster with less shots with a good well designed hollowpoint than with hardball?
Below is a picture of a .45 hardball compared to a standard velocity Ranger Talon that was retreived from a TX deer weighing between 125 and 150 lbs. I can't imagine that being shot with a round that performs like the Ranger Talon would be the same as being shot by one that maintains its profile like the hardball.
If hollowpoints made no difference in actual shootings, people like Doc Roberts and Dr. Fackler would have noticed long ago that hollowpoints make no difference over hardball.
I am not a believer in the Marshal and Sanow nonsense which has been proven to be fabricated and inaccurate, or energy wave theories. I recognize that no two shootings are the same because bullets don't hit the same exact place, people are physiologically different in terms of weight, body thickness, clothing, muscle, etc, mindset, mental reactions, and substances in their bodies like alcohol and drugs. Because of these differences there is no way to create an equal measuring system of shootings. However, we have seen general trends where in the same pistol calibers hollowpoints perform better than hardball and some hollowpoints perfom better than others.
And finally, the original posts being referenced were on Glocktalk, which at time has been known to produce less than credible posters and people posing as that which they are not.
Last edited by Ed L.; 01-03-10 at 17:13.
i don't see any reason to disbelieve Looking's findings, aside from the fact that he's a random internet personality like anyone else. he could be a phony, but if he's not- it doesn't really change anything. he hasn't claimed to be a ballistics expert nor a doctor. all he's done is state observations that really don't necessarily clash with anything we think we know. the wound channels dont look any different... ok, that's perfectly believable to me. there's more to term ballistics and incapacitation than post-mortum wound channel size. his statements about oddities are all perfectly plausible- and are just that: oddities, moldbreakers, luck. that happens. people have survived having unexploded RPGs lodged in their torsos... luck, or whatever you want to call it, happens.
furthermore, as has been touched on, and as he said, almost all of the shooting he's observed have been BG vs BG... shitty ammo, shitty weapons, shitty shot placement. these things make a huge difference. so while his observations are perfectly legit (assuming they are), his conclusions about defensive/duty loads might still be totally incorrect... and i believe that are, for the reasons listed here in this thread.