Got Testosterone?

[WS6]

Did you ask why? Anyone running blood work and not obtaining your e2 levels should automatically be suspect. I'd drop her in a heartbeat.

I'm no endocrinologist, but higher test levels are linked to a host of disorder and disease.

[Irish]

I'm no endocrinologist, but higher test levels are linked to a host of disorder and disease.

Supraphysiological levels over long periods of time, yes. Please reference which disorders and diseases you're referring to along with what you consider "higher test levels" so we can continue the conversation. I'm genuinely curious.

Most people are reading and referencing old, antiquated myths, and not the most current research, science, and modern medicine, and the benefits of having higher test levels.

Stuck at work so I may not be able to respond til later. I appreciate the discourse.

[WillBrink]

I'm no endocrinologist, but higher test levels are linked to a host of disorder and disease.

I'm not aware of any such modern studies. Data suggests T levels in the higher normal physiological range (above 500ng/dl) is correlated to most benefits. I have posted a number of them here. It's astounding how many medical professionals (who should at least take time to be up on the lit if making medical decisions on that very topic) and even text books, etc will make such blanket statements without and data to support it. There's a general hormaphobia in this country among many who should know better. Two, clinical experience and symptology also strongly indicates levels in the upper normal range superior, and that's not even covering what is often totally ignored, such as E2...

More data is needed here, but what does exist, does not generally support being focused on keeping levels in the middle of the range. It's more about the practioners personal comfort levels than any data driven decision.

[WS6]

Supraphysiological levels over long periods of time, yes. Please reference which disorders and diseases you're referring to along with what you consider "higher test levels" so we can continue the conversation. I'm genuinely curious.

Most people are reading and referencing old, antiquated myths, and not the most current research, science, and modern medicine, and the benefits of having higher test levels.

Stuck at work so I may not be able to respond til later. I appreciate the discourse.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...tacks/3448543/
http://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-...-and-the-heart
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2029601
http://med.stanford.edu/news/all-new...udy-finds.html

Like I said, I am not an endocrinologist, but have read and seen numerous studies which link high testosterone levels in animals and humans to many negative outcomes. You would have to find someone who has delved further into it to give you an answer of "what levels begin to exhibit these problems..."

[Irish]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...tacks/3448543/
http://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-...-and-the-heart
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2029601
http://med.stanford.edu/news/all-new...udy-finds.html

Like I said, I am not an endocrinologist, but have read and seen numerous studies which link high testosterone levels in animals and humans to many negative outcomes. You would have to find someone who has delved further into it to give you an answer of "what levels begin to exhibit these problems..."

One study is from 1991 about testosterone and aggression. Simply put, antiquated, out dated, and disproven. The same thing goes with the heart problems. The latest studies have disproven those findings as junk and to be disregarded. I'm off the grid for the weekend but I'll post up the latest and greatest come Monday if Will or someone else doesn't post them.

[WS6]

One study is from 1991 about testosterone and aggression. Simply put, antiquated, out dated, and disproven. The same thing goes with the heart problems. The latest studies have disproven those findings as junk and to be disregarded. I'm off the grid for the weekend but I'll post up the latest and greatest come Monday if Will or someone else doesn't post them.

Thanks! As I said, that is not my area of expertise, and I would be happy to learn about current/accurate data on this issue. Thanks again!

[WillBrink]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...tacks/3448543/
http://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-...-and-the-heart
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2029601
http://med.stanford.edu/news/all-new...udy-finds.html

Like I said, I am not an endocrinologist, but have read and seen numerous studies which link high testosterone levels in animals and humans to many negative outcomes. You would have to find someone who has delved further into it to give you an answer of "what levels begin to exhibit these problems..."

What you posted above is actually a good example of what I am talking about. See also:

http://www.brinkzone.com/anti-aging-...be-beneficial/

Anyway, you can ignore a large portion of what you read out there sadly.

[WillBrink]

An important thread bump. None of it's news per se for those who follow the data and or have extensive clinical experience, but the source is important here and summarizes the various issues surrounding testosterone deficiency (TD) well:

From the recent Mayo Clinic Proceedings report via Abraham Morgentaler - Director of Men's Health Boston and an Associate Clinical Professor of Urology at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center and Harvard Medical School.MD and chairman of the consensus conference:

After examining the best available scientific evidence, Morgentaler and colleagues—who included experts with specialties in urology, endocrinology, diabetes, internal medicine, and basic science research—agreed on the following:

TD is a well-established, clinically significant medical condition that negatively affects male sexuality, reproduction, general health and quality of life.
Symptoms and signs of TD occur as a result of low levels of testosterone and may benefit from treatment regardless of whether there is an identified underlying origin.
TD is a global public health concern.
Testosterone therapy for men with TD is effective, rational, and evidence-based.
There is no testosterone concentration threshold that reliably distinguishes those who will respond to treatment from those who will not.
There is no scientific basis for any age-specific recommendations against the use of testosterone therapy in adult males.
The evidence does not support increased risks of cardiovascular events with testosterone therapy.
The evidence does not support increased risk of prostate cancer with testosterone therapy.
The evidence supports a major research initiative to explore possible benefits of testosterone therapy for cardiometabolic disease, including diabetes.

Cont:

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-0...eficiency.html

[Irish]

Good stuff Will.

[Skar]

Heads up I went from using Nipro 23 ga to a Exel 23 ga.
The Exel must be sharper I can hardly feel it going in to my mid
thigh . The nipro seem to sting more .