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    The Tavor is a fantastic system. And I'm not the only one to think so, there are about a million of them in production somewhere in the world right now.

    Other then support hand shooting I personally like it much better then a comparable AR.

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    I'm still waiting for a way to buy a California legal version...Should have just hid my buddy's in my bag when I went home.

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    I vote to get away from the Jews vs. Arabs tone and get back to the guns!

    Was there really a potential to have this gun imported? Wouldn't it have to have a bunch of Isreali parts replaced with American ones? Or IMI could just start manufacturing them here or license someone else to do it.
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    From what I understand, Canada has the Tavor. Yes, I know Canada isn't the U.S. but if they get it, we should too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ca_fireman19 View Post
    From what I understand, Canada has the Tavor. Yes, I know Canada isn't the U.S. but if they get it, we should too...

    Canadian firearms import regulations are very different than US regulations.

    The more I hear about the various (failed) efforts to get the Tavor produced domestically, the less faith I have it will happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Templar View Post
    Canadian firearms import regulations are very different than US regulations.

    The more I hear about the various (failed) efforts to get the Tavor produced domestically, the less faith I have it will happen.
    Might you know what the main hold up is?

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    Money, and negotiations with IWI.

    Barrett was initially looking at it, but after trying to deal with IWI, they declined.

    Charles Daly got torpedoed, now out of business.

    Magnum Research.......most likely lacks the facilities and wherewithal to manufacture the components to make the Tavor US compliant, and doesn't see the cost/benefit to investing the money to do it.

    If you were a businessman, and you took a look at the annual sales of, say, the Steyr AUG A3 vs. Colt LE 6920, or a SIG 556 vs. the same Colt, the economics would probably scare you away from investing all that money into what would ultimately be very lackluster sales.
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    Maybe I'm just jaded because I live in California and therefore cannot own ANY Colt rifle or carbine, but I would much rather own a Tavor over an Aug. If I am not mistaken, there are no bullpups available in CA short of converting a Ruger Mini 14 or 10/.22.

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    If you go back through the thread and read what the Canadian members are saying, the Tavor is unrestricted up there, whereas AR's are, so for the company importing and selling the Tavor up there, it's economically feasible.

    I'd still much rather have one of the IMI Galil Model 386's over the Tavor, and to be honest, if it were a serious use carbine, I'd much rather have a well set up M4.
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    I had a chance to pick up a Galil in Vegas when I got married this past February...hindsight truly is 20/20. That'll be one one my first acquisitions when I finally leave the oppressive socialist state that is California...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Templar View Post
    Canadian firearms import regulations are very different than US regulations.

    The more I hear about the various (failed) efforts to get the Tavor produced domestically, the less faith I have it will happen.
    Forever ago I read a lot of the Tavor parts were already produced in the USA so that Israel could use American foreign aid dollars to fund the endeavor.

    I have no idea if that is still the case.
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    IIRC, Charles Daly confirmed that they were going to import the Tavor, before they went belly-up. Too bad, because this would have been a neat rifle to try out.

    Hopefully who ever picks up CD's machinery and tooling can continue negotiations. But I'm just talking out of my ass here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ca_fireman19 View Post
    I had a chance to pick up a Galil in Vegas when I got married this past February...hindsight truly is 20/20. That'll be one one my first acquisitions when I finally leave the oppressive socialist state that is California...
    Just bear in mind that a Century Arms "Golani" does not a Galil make.....

    Variable.....I heard the same rumor, but if the parts are being made here, I have no idea who was doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ca_fireman19 View Post
    Maybe I'm just jaded because I live in California and therefore cannot own ANY Colt rifle or carbine, but I would much rather own a Tavor over an Aug. If I am not mistaken, there are no bullpups available in CA short of converting a Ruger Mini 14 or 10/.22.
    Incorrect, the FS2000, MSAR and the rifle from Kel-Tec are all available in KA as long as they have a mag-lock. Try scoping out calguns.net

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    I'd love to get some trigger time on a Tavor.
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    I will say this for them...they sure are light, tight, handy little machines.

    But I would also rather have a well-set up AR, because bullpup mag changes just don't really work for me, and off-shoulder firing makes me nervous as well.

    They do sell up here in Canada but I agree with Templar that this is largely a by-product of the more relaxed regulations surrounding them.

    Also, if you feel that the American gun-buying public is, on average, fairly unsophisticated when it comes to their guns, consider that Canada is several steps behind. So the popularity of a given gun in Canada could mean something, or it could me nothing. Very, very few people run their guns hard up here, particularly black rifles. I would guess (on SWAG principles) maybe a thousand people in the country are giving their carbines a serious workout on a regular basis. So the Tavor's popularity is probably not a good measure of its capabilities.

    I am not running the gun down, just commenting on the dangers of relying on the Canadian market as a tool for evaluating a firearm.
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    I think what's needed here is not so much a foreign rifle with US made parts. Rather, a US made bullpup rifle with the same improvements applied to it as the new rifles out today like the acr, xcr, scar, etc.

    It's also interesting to note that the Canadians can so far only get the old Tavor design and not the improved Tavor-2/X95.

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    Prexis is currently making a clone of the L85 called the PL-85 although with all of the problems that rifle has had, I wouldn't buy one unless I got some serious trigger time on it.

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    I have never seen an MSAR or an FS2000 in a Californian gun shop. And I didn't know Kel-Tec made one...isn't everything Kel-Tec crap, or am I thinking about a different company?

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    www.calguns.net is your friend. Check out the centerfire rifles part of the board and you will find several threads on bullpup rifles. There is even a bullpup rifle picture thread. Raddlock is the name of the company that makes the mag locks for the MSAR and FS2000.

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