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    Smith Mfg M1A/M14

    Anyone heard of a Smith Mfg "M14"? Saw one for sale and the receiver is marked "Smith Mfg, Toledo, Ohio". (This is not Smith Enterprises.)

    It's a semi-auto, with I presume an investment cast receiver, marked "M14". It appeared to have all GI parts and was in outstanding condition, but I don't know much about that receiver. The serial number was below 1010. The stock was a Springfield military stock, also in great condition. (Not the commercial Springfield.)

    Are these good receivers? Are these rifles put together well? Receivers in spec, heat treatment, etc.?

    The price seemed exorbitant at ~$2500.

    Thanks for any info.

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    Funny you should ask...

    Mr. Maunz of Camp Perry fame sold his M14 rifle business (Maunz Manufacturing, Inc.) to Smith Manufacturing Co. (then P. O. Box 1070 Toledo, OH 43697) about 1984. The semi-automatic M14 receiver master die was loaned to them as part of the sale. Smith Manufacturing Co. produced complete rifles built on investment cast H&R Gun Co. stamped receivers. The H&R Gun Co. Semi-Auto 7.62MM-M14 receivers were marked TOLEDO, OHIO though Smith Manufacturing Co. was physically located in Holland, OH about fourteen miles to the west. H&R Gun Co. Semi-Auto 7.62MM-M14 rifles were assembled with Harrington & Richardson M14 parts kits imported in 1985 by Jack Friese. All H&R Gun Co. models were originally sold as complete rifles by Smith Manufacturing Co. Smith Manufacturing Co. was operated by Carl Hinkelman, Ron Smith of Tennessee (no relation to Ron Smith of Smith Enterprise, Inc. in Arizona) and another associate. As an aside, Carl Hinkelman lived in Toledo, OH within blocks of the Schuster family at the time. Karl Maunz was a consultant to Smith Manufacturing Co. on the H&R Gun Co. project.

    Smith Manufacturing Co. machined the first Armscorp of America receivers around 1985 or 1986. Armscorp serial number 1120 is marked SMITH MFG. INC. TOLEDO, OHIO on the left side of the receiver directly under the elevation knob and to the rear of the bolt lock. A number of the early Armscorp receivers had rear lugs made as part of the casting. The very first Armscorp of America M14 receiver was hand delivered to Mike Gruber by Karl Maunz. Smith Manufacturing Co. marked a few Armscorp of America receiver heels by electro-discharge machining (EDM) instead of using stamping dies as an experiment. Smith Manufacturing Co. also produced Smith Ltd. investment cast semi-automatic M14 type receivers. Smith Ltd. receivers were made about 1987.

    Smith Ltd. receivers were assembled as complete rifles and sold about 1987 and 1988 at Camp Perry shooting matches by Smith Manufacturing Co. Ron Smith, one of the principals of Smith Manufacturing Co., assembled the Smith Ltd. rifles at the family gun shop, Georgia Gun Trader, Inc. (then 605 West Nashville Street Ringgold, GA 30736).

    Ron Smith was a competitive shooter at Camp Perry in the 1980s. He learned how to build M14 type rifles through a couple of retired miltary armorers who lived in northern Georgia as well as from armorers and competitors he met at Camp Perry. The parts fit, if using USGI and/or National Match parts, is excellent, based on examination of Smith Ltd. rifles serial numbered 0210, 0225, 0236 and 0237. A commercial manufacture bolt and commercial manufacture operating rod were found to be too thick to slide smoothly inside Smith Ltd. receiver serial number 0237. The following report was given by M14 gunsmith Tim Strait on March 14, 2006 on Smith Ltd. receiver serial number 0003 [minor spelling and punctuation errors corrected]:

    Smith Ltd M14 # 0003
    Receiver specifications as follows:

    1. Excellent cast receiver with virtually no machine marks visible. Excellent parkerized 'phosphate coated’ metal finish on the entire rifle. Surface hardening was checked at the rear sight base with results of 59 HRC according to a local metallurgist.

    2. All parts on this rifle are TRW (barrel, operating rod, firing mechanism and bolt). Allparts seem to fit well without any fitting at all. Barrel gauges at 0 for throat erosion and 0 for muzzle wear.

    3. Receiver threads (barrel) are correct per M14 military specification (barrel timing or indexing).

    4. The machine work done on the inside of the receiver is excellent and smooth. No burrs were found on this receiver.

    5. The locking lug helix of this Smith Ltd receiver matches the helix of the USGI M14bolt very well at approximately 99.9 %.

    6. Firing pin retraction was well within standard for USGI military specification.

    7. Headspace on this rifle was set at a modest 1.6325 ". This is good enough for
    commercial .308 Winchester or 7.62 NATO ammunition. The bolt lugs have about 99 % contact with the receiver locking lug engagement area.

    8. The receiver heel is just a bit thicker than other commercial receivers being made today.

    9. The front pin hole for the bolt stop roll pin is cut exactly the same as USGI M14 rifles.

    10. The operating rod dismount notch is 1 ½ times the width of current commercial
    receivers.

    11. The receiver safety bridge was milled correctly and there’s no bolt shuck or
    interference with bolt rotation. The action functions smoothly and without a hitch.

    Note:

    During the 1980s, there were four businesses or individuals with the name of Smith involved with commercial M14 rifles as manufacturers. Neal Smith of Smith Firearms (Mentor, OH) performed NFA registered select fire conversions of already manufactured Springfield Armory, Inc. M1A rifles. Richard Smith and Ron Smith of Smith Enterprise, Inc. (then Mesa, AZ) produced semi-automatic and select fire M14 rifles stamped SMITH ENT. Melvin Smith of Valley Ordnance (Wilkes-Barre, PA) machined raw castings into M1A receivers for Springfield Armory, Inc. in Geneseo, IL. Smith Manufacturing Co. (Holland, OH) produced Maunz Match Rifle, H&R Gun Co. and Smith Ltd. semi-automatic M14 rifles and the first Armscorp of America M14 type receivers. Ron Smith of Tennessee was one of three stakeholders in Smith Manufacturing Co. He is of no relation to Ron Smith of Smith Enterprise, Inc. None of these entities ever did any work for the others. Although Armscorp of America, Inc. sold Smith Enterprise, Inc. M-14 receivers and Smith Manufacturing Co. made some Armscorp of America M14 receivers, there was never any connection or relationship between Smith Manufacturing Co. (Holland, OH) and Smith Enterprise, Inc. (then Mesa, AZ). Additionally, Frank Smith was the All National Guard MTU armorer in the 1980s and early 1990s. The similarity in
    names is purely coincidental.

    By Lee Emerson
    Last edited by Buck; 04-17-10 at 21:01.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck View Post
    Funny you should ask...
    Buck, Where did you get the Lee Emerson stuff..... is he still offering the complete
    book on his website still? I have the first edition of his book, but he keeps adding on to it ....

    T

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    Buck,

    Thanks for the info. This rifle is marked "Smith Mfg" on the left side of the receiver, where that article states. The barrel and bolt are stamped "HRT". The trigger group is stamped with a number, but no manufacturer mark, as is the hammer.

    Any idea of what these rifle are worth? Are they good rifles (on par with a commercial Springfield, better, worse)? Is the quality of the receiver any better or worse than a commercial Springfield? I thought $2500 sounded extremely high, but don't know the market for this particular make.

    Thanks again.
    Last edited by Race; 04-17-10 at 22:47.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Race View Post
    Buck,

    Thanks for the info. This rifle is marked "Smith Mfg" on the left side of the receiver, where that article states. The barrel and bolt are stamped "HRT". The trigger group is stamped with a number, but no manufacturer mark, as is the hammer.

    Any idea of what these rifle are worth? Are they good rifles (on par with a commercial Springfield, better, worse)? Is the quality of the receiver any better or worse than a commercial Springfield? I thought $2500 sounded extremely high, but don't know the market for this particular make.

    Thanks again.
    Not Buck, But I do have a couple "Devine" M1A's and since they only made so many of them they are worth more money. I would think that the Smith rifle would be the same since they were also made in limited quantities. Devine
    rifles can sell for over $3000 dollars.

    The tirgger group may be Winchester if the numbers on it are 66118.
    Check the op-rod too.

    T

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    Quote Originally Posted by tat2 View Post
    Buck, Where did you get the Lee Emerson stuff..... is he still offering the complete
    book on his website still? I have the first edition of his book, but he keeps adding on to it ....

    T
    Yes, the current iteration is 656 pages of text. I can give you the web site link for a recent freebie edition of M14 Rifle History and Development if you send me a PM.

    The bolt marked HRT was made by Textile Machine Works (Wyomissing, PA), a subcontractor to Harrington & Richardson Arms Co.
    Last edited by Different; 04-18-10 at 07:24.

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    By the way, is the Smith Mfg a good M1A? Good metallurgy, good heat treating? Holes and receiver dimensions in proper spec?

    As good or better than a Springfield receiver? The quote from the book indicated a particular Smith Ltd. rifle as being nice, but that was a different company than Smith Mfg. Am I reading that right?

    By the way, where would I look for any markings on the OP rod? What should I look for?

    Thanks again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Race View Post
    Anyone heard of a Smith Mfg "M14"? Saw one for sale and the receiver is marked "Smith Mfg, Toledo, Ohio". (This is not Smith Enterprises.)

    It's a semi-auto, with I presume an investment cast receiver, marked "M14". It appeared to have all GI parts and was in outstanding condition, but I don't know much about that receiver. The serial number was below 1010. The stock was a Springfield military stock, also in great condition. (Not the commercial Springfield.)

    Are these good receivers? Are these rifles put together well? Receivers in spec, heat treatment, etc.?

    The price seemed exorbitant at ~$2500.

    Thanks for any info.

    $2,500.00 is more than what I would pay. Smith Manufacturing was physically located in Holland, OH but the mailing address was in Toledo. It made receivers marked

    Smith Mfg
    Maunz Match Rifle
    Smith, Ltd.
    H & R Gun Co.

    These were investment cast receivers made between 1984 and 1987. They were made from AISI 8620 alloy steel. Carl Hinkelman was the machinist. Dimensional geometry is good but the surface hardness tested on three or four Smith, Ltd. receivers was consistently high, 60 HRC.

    Mr. Maunz sold his M14 rifle business to Smith Manufacturing Co. (then P. O. Box 1070 Toledo, OH 43697) about 1984. Smith Manufacturing Co. was operated by Carl Hinkelman, Ron Smith (TN), and Doug Smith (Bowling Green, OH), neither related to Ron Smith of Smith Enterprise, Inc. in Arizona. Karl Maunz was a consultant to Smith Manufacturing Co. on the H&R Gun Co. project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Different View Post
    $2,500.00 is more than what I would pay. Smith Manufacturing was physically located in Holland, OH but the mailing address was in Toledo. It made receivers marked

    Smith Mfg
    Maunz Match Rifle
    Smith, Ltd.
    H & R Gun Co.

    These were investment cast receivers made between 1984 and 1987. They were made from AISI 8620 alloy steel. Carl Hinkelman was the machinist. Dimensional geometry is good but the surface hardness tested on three or four Smith, Ltd. receivers was consistently high, 60 HRC.

    Mr. Maunz sold his M14 rifle business to Smith Manufacturing Co. (then P. O. Box 1070 Toledo, OH 43697) about 1984. Smith Manufacturing Co. was operated by Carl Hinkelman, Ron Smith (TN), and Doug Smith (Bowling Green, OH), neither related to Ron Smith of Smith Enterprise, Inc. in Arizona. Karl Maunz was a consultant to Smith Manufacturing Co. on the H&R Gun Co. project.
    Thanks for the info. Very helpful.

    Best.

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    good info, thanks.

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