Police support national reciprocity for CC permit holders, do you?

**-gary** · 04-16-10, 15:07

Originally Posted by Joeywhat

How is that any different then what we have now? A state could make their own absurd laws that everyone else in the country would have to follow when in that state. They could write it as to effectively ban carry without technically banning it...

The agreements between states are a cluster right now as to who recognizes who and to what extent. Legal minefield is what most would call it. As it stands now, I have an iPhone app just to tell me what states recognize my permits when I travel. It's not going to change the laws of the state, so places like NY, IL and CA are still off limits for the most part, but it would force the states to at least recognize permits from all the other states.

Bottom line is that it makes carrying in other carry friendly states easier and without the risk of inadvertently breaking laws.

**bkb0000** · 04-16-10, 15:13

we're looking at this backwards.. the only way any kind of national CCW can work is in the form of a law expressly permitting a CCW holder of any state to travel in any state- EXACTLY the same as a driver's license.

**maximus83** · 04-16-10, 15:21

I agree with what some others have said: I am FOR nation-wide reciprocity, but am strongly AGAINST any federal legislation or authority running this program.

Now ordinarily, the consistent approach would be that fundamental and inherent rights (rights expressed in the Declaration as God-given, or rights expressed in the Bill of Rights, including rights to life, liberty, freedom of speech/expression/religion, etc.) are legislated at the federal level. And I consider the right to bear arms to be right up there with the other "fundamental" rights. It's a logical corollary of the right to life, i.e., it's the right to defend one's own life and property.

Problem is, at a pragmatic level, and considering the socialistic trend of the government in our time, placing ANY of our precious rights under federal control seems like a bad idea. Because what's sauce for the goose is also sauce for the gander: if they can federally legislate FOR something we want, at a future time they can also legislate AGAINST it.

So when it comes to the 2nd Amendment, for pragmatic reasons, I am in favor of keeping it controlled by the states. Even though that can result in a lot of inconsistent details, and in reality, it probably means we will never have true national reciprocity.

**bkb0000** · 04-16-10, 15:35

im usually totally opposed to any federal legislation, except those very small, few necessary laws influencing ACTUAL interstate commerce- but a federal law allowing interstate travel with CCW is one gun law that's TOTALLY CONSTITUTIONAL. this would be one of those very few laws that actually IS related to interstate commerce- the ability for free, armed citizens to move about within the country, for commerce or pleasure.

im 100% on board with a federal CCW law. not that it would ever happen- they'll encroach on private citizens' and states' rights all day, until its to benefit us/them.

**CarlosDJackal** · 04-16-10, 16:06

Originally Posted by -gary

Unless something has markedly changed since the last I kept up with this, it is not a national carry license, but forcing the states to recognize reciprocity. Works the same as you drivers license. If the speed limit is 85 in your state and you visit a state where it is 65, you have to drive 65 just like everyone else when you visit there not 85 because that's the way you do it back home. Same with CCW. If your state permits carrying in an alcohol serving restaurant but the state you are visiting does not, you can't carry there. States like NY blew this way out of proportion by claiming that they were going to be forced to follow others states firearms laws when in reality it was nothing near that.

How many states issue Driver's Licenses that DO NOT require the holder's picture or mandatory information (IE: name, unique ID, address, description, etc.) on it? The Commonwealth I live in (it's not a State) does not allow pictures on our Concealed Handgun Permits (it's not setup for it). They only require that it must be accompanied with an acceptable picture ID.

Does this mean that if a mandated National CCW Reciprocity is put in place, we will have to change the way we do business? If so, who will enforce these rules? These have to be either agreed upon by each and every State or Commonwealth or mandated by the Federal Government. Do we want the Federal government to get their dirty paws into this? I certainly don't. So that means it would be up to each and every State, Commonwealth, and Territory to decide whether or not they will accept these permits and if so, what standards must be enforced. Wait!! Isn't that the way it is now?

The way it stands now is each and every State, Commonwealth, and Territory can accept any official document from any other State, Commonwealth, or Territory in these United States. But they do so at their leisure.

If it were to me there would not even be a need of some sort of document to be able to carry anywhere - but that's another discussion altogether. JM2CW.

**-gary** · 04-16-10, 16:40

Originally Posted by CarlosDJackal

Does this mean that if a mandated National CCW Reciprocity is put in place, we will have to change the way we do business? If so, who will enforce these rules?

Everything that I understand about this, as least as presented previously in S. 1390, leaves all the licensing details to the individual resident's state. Nothing is federalized except the reciprocity and all states can carry on exactly as they do today.

Text from the Thune amendment.

(d) Nothing in this section shall be construed to--

``(1) effect the permitting process for an individual in the State of residence of the individual; or

``(2) preempt any provision of State law with respect to the issuance of licenses or permits to carry concealed firearms.''.

**JGrelle** · 04-16-10, 18:25

Originally Posted by CarlosDJackal

I personally think that National Reciprocity should be allowed as long as it does not require any federal registration (IE: a National CCW).

I agree with this

**Irish** · 04-16-10, 19:28

Will one of our well informed LEOs chime in and explain how LEOSA works, I don't know all the details. Would it be possible to have something similar for regular citizens?