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USMC Force Recon 1978-1984
US Air Force Res. 1995-2004 (Air Transportation)
M16/AR15 shooter since 1978, gun collector and AR builder since 2004
Maybe not retro but old school.
Like in an I love the 90s sort of way.
As is his rifle is pretty current and well ensconced in at least the early 2000s.
But Flattops were around in 1994. And if done just right, you could make a 1990s build like the Land Warrior (if you were rich) or the old Swan Sleeve. It wasn't quite a S.I.R. but close. I cannot find a picture although it would be pushing it.
I was merely trying to be constructive.
"Real men have always needed to know what time it is so they are at the airfield on time, pumping rounds into savages at the right time, etc. Being able to see such in the dark while light weights were comfy in bed without using a light required luminous material." -Originally Posted by ramairthree
I thought the M4 was in the process of being replaced with the "M4 Product Improvement Program." I think it's at Picatinny? Marine Infantry don't use M4's that I can remember, were the first adopters of M4A1 full auto no burst. Navy SOPMOD program uses M4A1 with MK18 upper/14.5" FSP and the new Geis rails, all Navy M4's were converted to M4A1. Regular Navy uses CQB or MK18 uppers and again M4A1 lowers on them. I'm sure the Army has plenty of M4's sitting in armories, possibly the Air Force and Coast Guard also? But I'm fairly sure they viewed as being antiquated by the majority of folks who actually shoot them in their op cycles. Enlighten me? I don't know much about the Army, I just know they are having Picatinny churn out as many conversions as possible: and I read an article IRT all Infantry getting M4A1s last year.
I just turned my guvmint-issued M4 in back in June of 2016 when I retired from DHS-ICE. M4 carbines are still in active use all over federal law enforcement.
Never forget every word you spoke when you took your oath of office.
Was it burst fire? I've seen some LEO that use "slabside" lowers, A1 and A2 uppers, etc. pretty much everything. (you fall into the Federal / LEO category) What I'm trying to determine is if the military branches within the DOD consider the M4 (burst fire) a fieldable weapon for the troops that are deployed (Afghanistan or abroad) or are they just sitting in armories waiting to be converted to M4A1. In the Navy we had ancient 1911's in our armories but we did not use them: they may have been used for watch for nostalic purposes if the CO didn't object. We also had China-Lake's and all kinds of ancient hardware that we didn't use.
I think the point you're missing is that the M4 is not retired from service, it's just retired from front-line duty. Like the M16A4, the M4 is still filling other roles (like training & gate-guard duty, ect.). Hell - there are still M16A2s in US inventories that are occasionally being used by National Guardsmen, & in my opinion, that's the main reason the M16A2 is really only sort-of considered as retro/vintage. I think once it's finally removed from reserve inventories it will be considered as all-in so to speak among retros (though I still think of it as Old-School rather than Retro or Vintage.)
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That would remove M16A2 from retro status by your logic. Retro in respect to Stoner rifles is any model that is no longer produced under DOD contract. The M4 is no longer produced as far as I know of, making it "retro.". It is used like many antiques are sitting in armories.
SOPMOD kit came out in 1993, no? That's 25 years ago.
I would think early SOPMOD configuration M4a1 would be about "retro" by now.
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