Which Twist Rate

[C4IGrant]

So are you really telling me, that if I were to shoot someone in self defense of my home with my 1:9 barrel. That the guy would just stand there and say wow. I'm lucky that wasn't a 1:7 twist barrel, then I would have been screwed. Seriously you really expect me to believe that.

From your posts in the other thread (and now this one), I am concerned about your reading comprehension.

No, you can kill someone dead with a .22LR out of a 1/16 twist barrel. Is that the optimal choice? Nope. Same goes with the 1/9. Is it the OPTIMAL choice? Nope.

You have already talked me into getting rid of my 1:9 barrel for a better brand 1:7 barrel, but to say the only thing it's good for is shooting dirt.. Really? Are you really saying that if I were to shoot someone with my 1:9 barrel that they would just laugh it off?

I don't care if you keep it or sell it (isn't what this is about). If you like it and it does what you needed it to do, then keep it.

I shoot 75gr ammo suppressed out of a 10.5" barrel 99.9% of the time. So a 1/9 twist barrel is worth nothing to me. YMMV



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[Belmont31R]

I connected the dots a long time ago. But one thing I did figure out here is this is more than a twist thing. This is a complete biased thing. This goes back to Chevy vs Ford. The Chevy guys will tell you that Fords are complete garbage, and the Ford guys will tell you Chevy's are complete garbage. And you will not get them to say otherwise. The sad thing though is it kind of ruins any credibility they ever had. Or at least in my eyes.

I'm not arguing that 70+GR ammo is better than 65GR ammo. Anyone with half a brain could figure that out.

What I am arguing though is that a 1:9 twist barrel is completely useless. To say it is completely useless; you might as well say its a toy and you would feel completely comfortable with a toddler playing with it while it is loaded. Hell if it's useless then it couldn't possibly hurt anyone right?

You would never catch me driving a Yugo. Me personally I think they are butt ugly, and death traps. But to some people they get them from point a to point b. Therefore they are useful to them.

No. Both Grant, and GotM4 both were speaking from their perspective.

You are correct but why limit one self?

They are useless to me and could be a liability.

Useless depends on what you want to do with the gun. If you are into shooting dirt, then no. If you want the most effective fighting gun, then the heavier grain ammo out of a 1/7 twist gun is the way to go.



1/9 twist guns are useless to me. As I stated in the other thread, besides the fact that 1/9 twist guns limit ones ammo options, they have also gotten a lesser quality gun (generally speaking).



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[C4IGrant]

No they are just claiming that a 1x9 is completely useless for shooting anything other than dirt. So that implies that it will not kill someone. I'm seeing an awful lot of biased opinions coming out. I'm not saying that 1x9 barrels aren't junk, apparently they are. But I would never make a claim saying that they are completely useless either.

I remember not so long ago that the military used 1x11 twist rates in all of their barrels. I seem to remember them doing a lot of killing back then.

Incorrect. What we ARE saying is that we like the benefits of heavier grain ammo and like the quality of the 1/7 twist barrels. So to us, 1/9 twist barrels are of no interest.

Again, no one is saying that you cannot kill someone with a 1/9 twist, 55gr bullet.

Try not reading into things so much. It will save you a lot pain.


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[C4IGrant]

I connected the dots a long time ago. But one thing I did figure out here is this is more than a twist thing. This is a complete biased thing. This goes back to Chevy vs Ford. The Chevy guys will tell you that Fords are complete garbage, and the Ford guys will tell you Chevy's are complete garbage. And you will not get them to say otherwise. The sad thing though is it kind of ruins any credibility they ever had. Or at least in my eyes.

I'm not arguing that 70+GR ammo is better than 65GR ammo. Anyone with half a brain could figure that out.

What I am arguing though is that a 1:9 twist barrel is completely useless. To say it is completely useless; you might as well say its a toy and you would feel completely comfortable with a toddler playing with it while it is loaded. Hell if it's useless then it couldn't possibly hurt anyone right?

You would never catch me driving a Yugo. Me personally I think they are butt ugly, and death traps. But to some people they get them from point a to point b. Therefore they are useful to them.

For your argument to hold any water, we would have to say that Hornady T2 blows MK262 out of the water (Chevy VS Ford). This just isn't true.

If we compare a Colt 1/7 twist barrel against your Oly 1/9 twist, it would be like comparing a Yugo to a Ferrari. No contest in quality, reliability, etc.

So yes, a 1/9 twist barrel is just fine (if it fits your needs). It does not fit mine and many others needs as well as a 1/7 twist barrel does.

No bias going on here, just a lot of common sense oriented folks telling you what the optimal choice is for killing two legged varmints.



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[Fyrhazzrd]

Incorrect. What we ARE saying is that we like the benefits of heavier grain ammo and like the quality of the 1/7 twist barrels. So to us, 1/9 twist barrels are of no interest.

Again, no one is saying that you cannot kill someone with a 1/9 twist, 55gr bullet.

Try not reading into things so much. It will save you a lot pain.


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Okay I apologize maybe I am reading too much into it. But that is the only point I was trying to make.

[Fyrhazzrd]

No. Both Grant, and GotM4 both were speaking from their perspective.

You highlighted and bolded the wrong statement. Look right above where you highlighted Grants statement. Where he said If you are shooting into dirt then No (meaning if you are only shooting into dirt then no it's not useless, otherwise yes it is). That is the statement I am referring to.

And I wasn't referring to GotM4 at all. There was someone else earlier in the thread that said they were completely useless. Without going back and looking for it. It said something like Stay away from the 1x9 twist rate they are completely useless. The word for me was never used.

That's when I started chiming in and having to don my flame retardant suit. I knew I would get flamed for it, but it really bothers me when people use blanket statements like that. Saying everything is junk. Really?

I even admitted that I knew it wasn't optimal. But to just say it's completely useless is just wrong.

A Ferrari is a better car than a Ford Escort. But that doesn't mean the Escort doesn't have it's uses. Again that is also subjective. I know people who hate Ferrari as well.

[Belmont31R]

You highlighted and bolded the wrong statement. Look right above where you highlighted Grants statement. Where he said If you are shooting into dirt then No (meaning if you are only shooting into dirt then no it's not useless, otherwise yes it is). That is the statement I am referring to.

And I wasn't referring to GotM4 at all. There was someone else earlier in the thread that said they were completely useless. Without going back and looking for it. It said something like Stay away from the 1x9 twist rate they are completely useless. The word for me was never used.

That's when I started chiming in and having to don my flame retardant suit. I knew I would get flamed for it, but it really bothers me when people use blanket statements like that. Saying everything is junk. Really?

I even admitted that I knew it wasn't optimal. But to just say it's completely useless is just wrong.

A Ferrari is a better car than a Ford Escort. But that doesn't mean the Escort doesn't have it's uses. Again that is also subjective. I know people who hate Ferrari as well.

I don't think his statement was exclusionary in that sense. Basically saying if all you are doing with the gun is shooting into dirt then 1x9 is fine. He never said the only thing its good for is shooting dirt.

He also said, "if you want the most effective...", not that it is the ONLY effective twist. That implies there is more than one effective twist.


Its been explained to you a few times now. No further point in debating this, and its stupid to keep on with people who can't understand basic English terms.

[Robb Jensen]

You're right. I was thinking of the Mk294 which is similar to the Mk262.


http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/j...R/56df5d7a.jpg

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/j...R/5fcd0c17.jpg

Mk294 is basically Mk262 but with a moly coating.

[C4IGrant]

A Ferrari is a better car than a Ford Escort. But that doesn't mean the Escort doesn't have it's uses. Again that is also subjective. I know people who hate Ferrari as well.

Depends on what the uses are. In this instance, if the use is to:

1. Go fast.
2. Pick up hot chicks.
3. Hold its value.

Which car is going to win?

Relating this to the 1/9 VS 1/7 discussion:

1. The ability to kill people out to 600M-800M.
2. Most reliable barrel (gas port, chamber, etc).
3. Higher re-sale value.



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[Xpertz1]

This thread really went to hell in a hurry!