"I Ain't Need No Trainin', Boy!" or, The Face of Stupid

[QuietShootr]

The military is no exception to this mentality.

That's the truth. "I shot espert in the marines, boy! You cain't teach me nuthin' bout shootin!"

Or the 2010 version of that: "I just got back from Iraq, mother****er, I KNOW how to shoot!"

My last 1SG was one of the ".45s will spin somebody around and knock 'em down if you hit 'em in the thumb! M-16 bullets spin around in flight and go in sideways! Shut up, Sergeant, I been in the Army since 'afore you were born!" type guys.

[KellyTTE]

As I have posted several times on this forum, Men believe that from birth they can do three things well. They are:

1. Drive
2. Screw
3. Shoot

4. BBQ or Grill

[thopkins22]

"...You cain't teach me nuthin' bout shootin!"

While everyone has things they don't know...he was probably right. There is nothing anybody could teach him about shooting. You can't be taught unless you're willing to learn.

[Honu]

these are the same idiots who cant drive but they been drivin since they were 7


sadly %95 or more of people are really really stupid in some way ?

[SteyrAUG]

I actually understand what the guy was trying to say.

It is "possible" to learn by doing. Certainly nobody taught Cooper the modern method, he learned that his instruction wasn't useful for his needs and he figured it out.

That said, it is a hell of a lot easier to have somebody knowledgeable teach you than to try and figure it out all on your own.

There is also another factor, at a certain age, you really do get set in your ways. I have received training from the very early 80s. Not claiming I'm an expert anything, that is just how long the training has been there to establish conditioned responses and muscle memory.

I deal with guys who are instructors in the last 10 years and they try and get me to do everything differently. They believe their method is better because that is how they were taught. The methods I learned are sufficient for me to find the black, and if I trained more frequently I'd find a lot more Xs.

But for me to try and undo all and know and adopt their method would mean I'd spend the next 10 years trying to get to my current skill level using their particular technique. And none of them understand why I'm not willing to do that. Sure I don't have the newest and latest IPSC Kung Fu with the precise, clean movements where I draw and hold close to my chest, extend, fire and retract like The Terminator. But my sloppy draw and straight line to extend presentation works well for me.

And to the horror of everyone, I then drop my line so my weapon is low and ready pointed at the ground. Completely obsolete if you ask some. Ironically it was the height of combat efficiency back in the Ayoob days.

And even if I did learn all the new methods, which make my methods old and wrong, it won't matter. Because in 20 years the new method will be completely wrong. Maybe it will become like clothing fashions and old styles will come back. Maybe when I'm 80 Ayoob will be back in fashion and I will be a supreme, grandmaster super ninja of the technique.

[theblackknight]

That's the truth. "I shot espert in the marines, boy! You cain't teach me nuthin' bout shootin!"

Or the 2010 version of that: "I just got back from Iraq, mother****er, I KNOW how to shoot!"

I hate your correctness right now.

[Don Robison]

As I have posted several times on this forum, Men believe that from birth they can do three things well. They are:

1. Drive
2. Screw
3. Shoot

We all know that we don't do any of them well without lots of practice.



C4

The wife has never said a word about me taking driving and shooting classes. I'm pretty sure she'll have something to say if I put a screwing class on the calender.


On the OP; some people just don't want to learn because they are damn near perfect.

[Dave_M]

That's the truth. "I shot espert in the marines, boy! You cain't teach me nuthin' bout shootin!"

Or the 2010 version of that: "I just got back from Iraq, mother****er, I KNOW how to shoot!"

I heard once, "I was in the infantry three years ago--what the hell could this, 'Lamb' guy teach me that I don't already know?!?"

My last 1SG was one of the ".45s will spin somebody around and knock 'em down if you hit 'em in the thumb! M-16 bullets spin around in flight and go in sideways! Shut up, Sergeant, I been in the Army since 'afore you were born!" type guys.

This kind of institutional inertia is why I still hear from active guys sometimes, "lube just attracts sand and dust! Less lube in the desert!"

I die a little inside when I hear this stuff.

[Dave_M]

And even if I did learn all the new methods, which make my methods old and wrong, it won't matter. Because in 20 years the new method will be completely wrong. Maybe it will become like clothing fashions and old styles will come back. Maybe when I'm 80 Ayoob will be back in fashion and I will be a supreme, grandmaster super ninja of the technique.

Steyr, more has changed in gunfighting in the passed six years than in the passed sixty. No lie. Likely a lot of the stuff you learned in the early 80's was based upon theory and not from large recent experience. Up until the two wars, we were taught a lot of bullshit that people over-thought and had never tested. This is why we use the things that work in real life and toss out the theory stuff. When I was an instructor in the USMC, we received every AAR from returning Marine Corps units and took out what worked and discarded what didn't. When something kept showing up over and over, it got officially written into the books. This is where theory and reality go on separate paths.

Sure, some of the theory stuff works but a lot of it got sent right to the trash. It would behoove of you to listen to the lessons of guys that have BTDT. I'm not saying take everything that is said as gospel but I suggest that you at least try new techniques, give them a good college try, and then decide to either discard it or adopt it.

I, for one, think that the statement, "Well, it works for me" is the motto of the lazy.

[Col_Crocs]

I know we're not supposed to do this, but it is potentially so instructive I hope we can keep it on track.

There is currently a thread on TOS about why people don't train. THIS is one of the answers:


THIS is the kind of mud-stupid you can't fix. And this is what I want to keep as far away from here as geographically possible.

Heyyyyy! I didnt know my dad was member at TOS! Kidding. sounds a lot like him though...
It's stubbornness and resistance to evolve, IMHO. Dont get me wrong, I dont mean anything disrespectful by using the word evolve. It's just the natural order of things. Their extensive knowledge may have been more than enough in their day but naturally as time passes, all things, well, simply evolve. Whether it be technology, clothing, weapons, education etc...
Time simply allows us the opportunity to gain even more knowledge.