Any one here used quicken will maker 2009?

[brett]

Lets put it this way guys. I will use the TSA as an example since they are Feds and in the news a lot latley. You go through security and forget about a gun you have in you carry on but you make it through the TSA check point and later for some other reason it is discovered. Do you really think they will let you off because the TSA messed up? Think about it. I would recomend you address life affecting NFA questions to people that are in the busniss and know. Not from people that say "it worked for me".

[Iraqgunz]

I don't know how you "somehow" knew I would get pissed and really don't care. My point was that YOU are also not a lawyer, yet you felt the need to criticize others. I do read SAR and in fact I was reading them back in the day when they were MGN.

I have also seen trusts that were generated by lawyers and fail to see the difference between theirs and mine.

I look at it like "big boy rules" and if someone feels they exercised their due diligence and are happy with the results then so be it.

I don't need to call the ATF for anything. The fact that my trust is fine (in my state) and that I have complied with their standard is proof enough to me.

Judging by your tome on here I am sure that you also belong to the "constructive intent" crowd.

Some how I knew you would get pissed about this fact. Its not dumb, read SAR. call the ATF. Its pinheads too cheep to pay pepople to do it right that slows it all down. This is a fact. There are other NFA boards that know one hell of a lot more on this topic than anyone here that say the same thing. Sorry if facts hurt.

[Iraqgunz]

That's an apples and oranges comparison and is in no way similar to what we are talking about. I suggest you relax a little bit and chill out.

Lets put it this way guys. I will use the TSA as an example since they are Feds and in the news a lot latley. You go through security and forget about a gun you have in you carry on but you make it through the TSA check point and later for some other reason it is discovered. Do you really think they will let you off because the TSA messed up? Think about it. I would recomend you address life affecting NFA questions to people that are in the busniss and know. Not from people that say "it worked for me".

[brett]

I did not mean you particularly would be pissed. I agree with everything you just said. If you are happy with what you did with your trust great. Too bad you feel the need to put others down that think different than you. Good luck.

[redtazdog]

ATF has approved more QWM trust than any other for many years
and several thousand trust later I've never heard of anyone in
trouble yet.
If something isnt correct on the trust atf will just tell you to fix it,
they wont come and knock down your door or shoot the dog
over this.
I made a QWM trust, took it to a trust lawyer friend to have it proof read when I showed him it he laughed at me as he booted up his second pc and started his QWM .
He said all is good on my trust since then I now have
over 16 stamps without any problems.
People that have been rejected didnt do a little research about a trust and didnt follow simple instructions when they made it, or they dont send all that is needed by atf to approve it.
If you dont understand how a trust works or have problems
with instructions then yes go see a lawyer.

[redtazdog]

Lets put it this way guys. I will use the TSA as an example since they are Feds and in the news a lot latley. You go through security and forget about a gun you have in you carry on but you make it through the TSA check point and later for some other reason it is discovered. Do you really think they will let you off because the TSA messed up? Think about it. I would recomend you address life affecting NFA questions to people that are in the busniss and know. Not from people that say "it worked for me".

TSA let me off when they found out they messed up and didnt do their job, they didnt want it to go public that they screw up all the time.
They shit when they found my 44 mag in the suitcase

[J Krammes]

Please keep your dumb comments to yourself. I highly doubt they will "accidentally" approve it since the BATFE has been told to scrutinize them. I have had at least 4 approvals on my Trust and it was created with Willmaker. Unless you live in a state that has wonky laws it shouldn't be an issue. In fact, I think one of our members did a comparison between a lawyer drawn up one and a Quicken one and they were virtually identical.

I spoke to an estate lawyer about trusts (he owns NFA stuff). He said that he just has his secretary type them up using a program very similar to Quicken. They have been around long enough to prove they are legit. There is no such thing as an "NFA trust". That was made up by a lawyer.

On my Schedule A I wrote
Noveske N4 SN:xxxx

I only write the item name, model, and serial number. I have 4 approvals on my trust.

Jk

[brett]

That's an apples and oranges comparison and is in no way similar to what we are talking about. I suggest you relax a little bit and chill out.

Thanks for all your comments fellas. Sorry to you Iraqgunz, I didn't mean to get your panties in a wad. My bad. My only intent was to pass on advice from other NFA nutz like us that given to me. Thats ALL nothing more.

[redtazdog]

I spoke to an estate lawyer about trusts (he owns NFA stuff). He said that he just has his secretary type them up using a program very similar to Quicken. They have been around long enough to prove they are legit. There is no such thing as an "NFA trust". That was made up by a lawyer as scare tatics to get buisness is what that trust
lawyer told me

Jk

Funny that a bunch of trust Lawers help make QWM and
some people think its not legit.

[Iraqgunz]

Generally I go commando so my panties don't wad up. I don't have an issue with your advice, it was how it was presented.

Thanks for all your comments fellas. Sorry to you Iraqgunz, I didn't mean to get your panties in a wad. My bad. My only intent was to pass on advice from other NFA nutz like us that given to me. Thats ALL nothing more.