Originally Posted by
rubberneck
IMHO the Sig quality "control issues" have been over blown. That's not to say that they haven't slipped a bit but if you listen to some people on the interweb you should avoid current Sig's at all costs. That doesn't mirror my own personal experience.
There have been legit problems since Ron Cohen took over in 2005. Sig has changed small parts vendors several times since 2005 to find a cheaper sourse, as well as changing alloys in the larger parts. Sig changed the slide and frame materials to softer and cheaper alloys which also were less hard on their tools allowing production to continue with less interuptions. If you look at pre 2005 Sigarms P229 slides, they had a lot more tool marks on them because the stainless that they used was a much harder cutlery grade stainless steel. Some of our post 2005 P220s actually dented the breech faces using 200gr+P ammo because of the softer alloy. I'm not even going to go into the problems associated with the newer internal extractor design. I had one officer drop his P220(newer) slide on the hard wood floor during cleaning and it bent the rail enough to make the action too stiff for safe use.
As for the frames, I've taken older P229s and newer P229s in service and compared them. Our older P229(Sigarms) had significantly less wear on the frame rails than our newer models, and the older ones had at least 3x as many rounds through them. We've also had a lot more grip screw threads getting stripped out with the newer, softer frame alloy. Then of course, the US made barrels are softer than the old German hammer forged barrels. The mating portion of the locking lug and frame insert shows significantly more wear than the older guns.
Is that to say that the newer guns are junk?......no. I like the older guns better as very few compromises were made in the design, materials, and quality controls. The newer guns are still good guns, and Sig Sauer has been innovating the classic line to improve it. The E2 modification is one of the best, since it addresses a weak point in the Sig design which is the stripping out of the grip screw threads on the frame. Other improvements are the use of the new snail pins for the firing pin position pin, and the H&K extractor design on the P229 E2.
Sig Sauer is definately improving the classic line design, and they are correcting their mistakes in materials and quality controls. So if you want a newer gun I would get the newest one possible with snail pins in the slide. If you want an older gun, look for either a carbon stamped slide variant made in "W. Germany", or a model that has "Sigarms" on the frame/slide with "stainless" on the slide. Another good indicator is if the serial number is not only on the frame, but on the barrel too. German hammer forged barrels have the serial number on them.
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