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    US Optics VS Schmidt & Bender

    I would be using the optic for long range shooting, hunting and shtf bolt gun. Either going to be .308 or .300 win mag.....

    I want to end up with a variable scope and have pretty much narrowed my search to either US Optics or Schmidt and Bender. From what I have been reading you could pretty much compare these two like Mercedes is to BMW. Is that correct? Who else is in their league or is that it? What one would you prefer and why? Also what reticule would you choose. They confuse me, there are so many to choose from!

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    I don't really have any experience with USO but Ive been using SB optics for a few years now, and am very pleased with them.


    My 3-12x50 has the Gen II mil-dot. Its not really precision oriented but is meant for military use. If you want a more precise reticle get the P4F which has fine lines.



    Id also recommend getting mil turrets (.10 MRAD per click) as opposed to MOA turrets. Its a little bit quicker to make adjustments, and once you get used to the mil system its a little better.


    Also heard a lot of good things about Premier, and they have a USMC contract now.

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    You really cant go wrong with either scope. I have a USO SN3 on my bolt gun, its a 3.2-17X with mil windage and mil EREK elevation. The nice thing about USO is you can build the scope to about any combo you want..Reticle, tube size,type of turrets, moa or mil,objective lens size, etc. Plus there customer service is top notch, and in the US.

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    what is EREK? I saw that didn't quite know what it meant. Also what makes 1/4 moa 1/8 moa etc turrets better than one another?


    I am a newb when it comes to scopes and their details for the most part. I just know the brands well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by payj View Post
    what is EREK? I saw that didn't quite know what it meant. Also what makes 1/4 moa 1/8 moa etc turrets better than one another?


    I am a newb when it comes to scopes and their details for the most part. I just know the brands well.


    1/8th would be better for making fine adjustments at long range.


    For instance at 800 yards a 1/8th MOA adjustment would be 1" per click. 1/4MOA would be 2" per click.


    .10 mil is .36" per click so they are a little courser than 1/4 adjustments but finer than 1/2 MOA.


    The thing with finer adjustments is it takes longer to make adjustments since you have more clicks to go through. I think .10mil clicks are fine enough you can easily hit torso size targets yet you aren't having to go through tons of clicks to get there. 1 click at 1k yards with .10 mil clicks is 3.6" so you still have lots of precision per click.

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    Be aware that when making adjustments you're rarely making minute ones so consider Belmont's words very carefully. He knows of what he speaks.

    The most important thing is in the tracking of the adjustment. Being able to quickly dial in your dope for a given range pays great dividends. 1/2" or even 1" clicks can be very useful for speed but if they can't track they're not worth much.

    S&B's have a huge following and while great scopes there are many worthwhile competitors, among them USO. At SHOT the year I went I saw the USO booth driving nails with one of their scopes.

    Based on the suggestion of Scott at Liberty Optics my scope choice was a Premier Reticle for two reasons. First it has a .1 click but at every mil gives you a solid "clunk." This makes it a very fast scope for large adjustments and still fine enough for small ones. Second with a 34mm diameter tube it is very clear at night and the adjustable rheostat doesn't overwhelm your targets. For the money (it still ain't cheap) it's a very hard scope to beat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutshot John View Post
    Be aware that when making adjustments you're rarely making minute ones so consider Belmont's words very carefully. He knows of what he speaks.

    The most important thing is in the tracking of the adjustment. Being able to quickly dial in your dope for a given range pays great dividends. 1/2" or even 1" clicks can be very useful for speed but if they can't track they're not worth much.

    S&B's have a huge following and while great scopes there are many worthwhile competitors, among them USO. At SHOT the year I went I saw the USO booth driving nails with one of their scopes.

    Based on the suggestion of Scott at Liberty Optics my scope choice was a Premier Reticle for two reasons. First it has a .1 click but at every mil gives you a solid "clunk." This makes it a very fast scope for large adjustments and still fine enough for small ones. Second with a 34mm diameter tube it is very clear at night and the adjustable rheostat doesn't overwhelm your targets. For the money (it still ain't cheap) it's a very hard scope to beat.



    Premier makes a good scope, too, and are def worth looking at.


    Im not sure about other SB scopes but mine has the solid click every mil as well, and "zero stop" so you know when you hit zero. It actually goes like half a mil past zero but its pretty obvious once you use it.


    The top of the turret also pops up once you go a full revolution. Its double turn, and once you got past 11 mils you get the little circle that comes up out of the top of the turret.


    There are quite a few really quality scopes out there that you can't go wrong with them. SB, Premier, Zeiss Hensoldt, USO, ect. Just make sure the optic matches what you want out of it, and has the features that will aid in making shots at range. Leupold and NF also make good scopes but they are not in the same class as the ones previously mentioned. Doesnt mean they are not usable but they simply lack of the features of the premier scopes on the market, do not have the same quality glass, the generally build quality is a little less, ect. For instance NF "prints" the adjustment parkings wheras SB are all laser cut into metal, and the low light brightness on SB optics is much greater than NF.


    As far as the speed goes with the adjustment increments just as an example...even though my 3-12X is on a 556 gun I can still shoot out 1k without even getting into the 2nd revolution of the turret. With SSA 77 SMK's at 556 pressure my dope for 500 is 27 down clicks, 750 is 57 clicks, and 1k is around 110. I have 12 mils per revolution so 110 clicks (11.0 mils) is not even into the 2nd turn yet.


    Oh and any of the big name military grade scope makers should be able to do the same thing with the nail. Generally mil grade scopes are made with much thicker side walls and are build more heavy duty. SB scopes have proven themselves to be extremely reliable with military units around the world including our own USMC, the British military, ect. The German soldiers I shot with had a Zeiss Hensoldt on their AI 300WM, and those have held up really well too. In fact I think those scopes might have a slight lead on SB currently as far as glass goes. They are using a little bit different type of material that has a bit better of edge to edge focus.

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