So You Want To Buy A HK91/G3 Rifle...

[Eurodriver]

and like I said...one bad experience and it entirely clouds your process in the equation. I'm sorry for your experience in that but if you are using that one example than you are like many people I know everywhere that cloud their entire thought process and internalize their experience based on one BAD apple.

I can replace all the variables in this conversation with say..... MEXICAN food or burger king or maybe Jamba Juice or 5 guys burgers and it would come out to be the same.

I prefer to give people and organizations many chances, maybe 3 is the limit and if they are still FUBAR'd despite the number of chances than yeah....I would write that off. But I would never write it off based on one incident.

This is where the internet folklore and gunshop couch commandos come into play with their 3rd person narrative. OH I heard from my cousins baby sisters momma that the ford fiesta is a POS.

I've heard enough stuff for example about the Beretta M9. I'm now retired army,Corp of Engrs, and I've had nothing but great experience with it in terms of reliability during my deployments and training sessions. In fact, I took two classes with Super Dave Harrington and I was the only one with an m9( officer issued and purchased M9 BTW from the Rock Island Armory program) and it performed solidly, took other pistol classes and I carry it with a crossbreed just fine and it hides just fine. Yes it is heavy..but I am used to it.

In the end, YMMV, but in my opinion, I believe everyone should give whatever noun you are using in the sentence a 2nd chance and if it's still a FUBAR scenario...at least you can say that with an honest authority and the experience to back it up....

Now if we had a scenario and if say like TEMPLAR used century and bought 10 of them and all 10 of them were POS...well.....mail me some crow..... I will gladly make soup out of it .

What are you talking about? I just said I know Century makes crap rifles, and I'm sure if I got a legitimate HK91 it would be reliable. I just don't know, other than the $2,000 pre-ban legitimate HK91s made by HK, what those are.

[prdubi]

I'm talking non sense....carry on.....just my observations about people in general that have bad experiences with stuff.

my whole point is that I've been lucky...KNOCK on wood...maybe it's because I inspect everything for almost an hour before buying...

same with shoes....shoestores hate me because I walk on it for 1 hour...

hell I'm gonna be wearing this thing for 8 hrs a day...how do I know that one minute of trying it on and walking back and forth like a catwalk would tell to me that this is comfortable..

[FMJ556]

A general question about the roller delayed design: does it place relatively higher stress
and hence wear and tear on the receiver as compared to other semi/full auto designs for
the same pressure ammo ?

[DeltaSierra]

I am in the market for a 7.62x51 rifle, and the HK-91 keeps calling...

The issue is the funding, and for that reason I have not bought a genuine HK yet...

After reading this thread, I'm seriously thinking about getting a Greek made SAR rifle, but I'm still unsure...

This rifle will be used quite a lot, and I will want to purchase spare parts as well.

Are original HK parts compatible with the Greek rifles?

Since I am looking for a rifle to shoot, I don't care how the thing looks, and I don't really care (again, I don't care from the cosmetic point of view) if it has a paddle magazine release or not. Does this have any effect on the function of the rifle and/or the type of magazines that could be used?

Thanks,

DeltaSierra

[TOrrock]

I am in the market for a 7.62x51 rifle, and the HK-91 keeps calling...


Are original HK parts compatible with the Greek rifles?

Since I am looking for a rifle to shoot, I don't care how the thing looks, and I don't really care (again, I don't care from the cosmetic point of view) if it has a paddle magazine release or not. Does this have any effect on the function of the rifle and/or the type of magazines that could be used?

Thanks,

DeltaSierra

Yes, all parts fit.

No, no difference in function or magazines, military HK mags have a paddle and a button release, semi auto civilian G3's can't have the 3rd pin that holds the paddle mag release on. A smith can make one work without installing or modifying the rifle to be in violation of NFA regs.

[DeltaSierra]

Yes, all parts fit.

No, no difference in function or magazines, military HK mags have a paddle and a button release, semi auto civilian G3's can't have the 3rd pin that holds the paddle mag release on. A smith can make one work without installing or modifying the rifle to be in violation of NFA regs.

So, the main differences between the SAR-3 and SAR-8 are merely cosmetic, and have nothing to do with the quality of the rifle, or parts thereof, correct?

What is the main reason to have the a smith replace the flash suppressor on the SAR-8? Is it strictly to make the weapon look like an original HK?

What is the "overstamp" SAR-3/8, and is it more desirable due to the quality of the build, or any Greek built rifles good to go?



(As a side note here, I have tried to do some research on this very issue, but all I can find is random chatter from unknown sources, and that is not very encouraging...)

[TOrrock]

Any of the Greek stamped receivered rifles are good to go.

The SAR-3 was pre-1989 import, as close to a military G3 as they could get in the country. The SAR-3/8 were rifles that were caught up in bonded warehouses when the ban hit, and had the flash suppressor removed and a thumb hole stock installed. Springfield would sell you an "accurizing kit" for them with the original stock and pistol grip, as well as the flash suppressor to reinstall.

The SAR-8 was purpose built to be importable to the US with a thumb hole stock and "permanent" muzzle nut. Other than being neutered, it's the same quality as the earlier Greek rifles.

[SteyrAUG]

A general question about the roller delayed design: does it place relatively higher stress
and hence wear and tear on the receiver as compared to other semi/full auto designs for
the same pressure ammo ?

I can't see how. Locked rollers keep the bolt in place more or less in the same manner as locking lugs. There is the aspect of the very heavy bolt nailing the face plate of the buttstock which in turn would possibly stress the mounting pin area but being as how there are G3s of early 60s vintage which haven't destroyed themselves I'd say it's "as strong" as any other design.

[SteyrAUG]

Are original HK parts compatible with the Greek rifles?


DeltaSierra

Yes, as well as all other "contract" rifles.

[DeltaSierra]

Any of the Greek stamped receivered rifles are good to go.

The SAR-3 was pre-1989 import, as close to a military G3 as they could get in the country. The SAR-3/8 were rifles that were caught up in bonded warehouses when the ban hit, and had the flash suppressor removed and a thumb hole stock installed. Springfield would sell you an "accurizing kit" for them with the original stock and pistol grip, as well as the flash suppressor to reinstall.

The SAR-8 was purpose built to be importable to the US with a thumb hole stock and "permanent" muzzle nut. Other than being neutered, it's the same quality as the earlier Greek rifles.

Thanks for the advice!

I really appreciate the general attitude on this forum towards those (like me) that just don't have any experience with certain types of weapons.

Thanks again Templar!

Yes, as well as all other "contract" rifles.

Are you selling a Greek 3/8 rifle? (I was just doing some research online, and happened across an add from a guy going by the username SteyrAUG...)