So You Want To Buy A HK91/G3 Rifle...

[Eurodriver]

I bought a CETME around 2002, it was by far the worst rifle I've ever owned. The muzzle device was a loud compensator and it never got through one magazine without jamming.

That really put me off to the G3/HK91 type rifles even though I know it shouldn't have. I really like the design. If there was a solid "buy this and it will work" rifle in the genre I'd buy it again,.

[prdubi]

thats really sad to hear that one tiny incident clouded your entire judgement of a very good system.

I bet your experience would have been more pleasant and positive if you would have gotten a better made g-3 style setup.

[TOrrock]

thats really sad to hear that one tiny incident clouded your entire judgement of a very good system.

I bet your experience would have been more pleasant and positive if you would have gotten a better made g-3 style setup.

Unfortunately, Century has managed to destroy the reputations of AK's, G3's, and FAL's to an entire generation of buyers and shooters who weren't around in the 1980's to appreciate a factory, original production rifle.

[prdubi]

I've had great luck with Century so please put away your surprise and shock faces.

Yugo M76 8mm, runs like a champ and the original scope setup works on it. Not very accurate using MG ammo but when using that dedicated sniper ammo from Yugo...runs and performs great groups.

Yugo M70AB2 which runs like a champ and it came with a pretty ulterly clean and pristine barrel. Has the thicker RPK style receiver. Fired for groups and it performs great using the m67 Yugo ammo. Mines came with the grenade launcher setup and I had the tritium reactivated also. Sling wasn't included nor the cleaning rod but I purchased that with no issues.

Mauser Steyr produced 98k RC, came without cleaning rod but it had a front site hood and an original sling. Used this rifle for classic battle rifle and it performed very well using hunting 8mm ammo from Remington.

Steyr M95/34- Came out fine and one of my favorite to shoot using the prvi partizan ammo.

walther P1, looked brand new to me and fires like a new gun.


In the end, YMMV and so far I've been lucky, same with my luck with Botach....they've been good too. But remember folks, that's just me.

[Eurodriver]

thats really sad to hear that one tiny incident clouded your entire judgement of a very good system.

I bet your experience would have been more pleasant and positive if you would have gotten a better made g-3 style setup.

Of course it would, unfortunately, as you can see, in almost 10 years I stil lhave not bought another delayed roller blowback firearm because of that bad experience. I don't know what to get. I have shot a buddy's PTR91 that didn't malfunction, it was alot of fun, but I wouldn't buy one because I don't trust it. The ones I do trust run upwards of $2,000. I might as well get a SCAR 17.

I own zero 7.62 battle rifles.

[prdubi]

and like I said...one bad experience and it entirely clouds your process in the equation. I'm sorry for your experience in that but if you are using that one example than you are like many people I know everywhere that cloud their entire thought process and internalize their experience based on one BAD apple.

I can replace all the variables in this conversation with say..... MEXICAN food or burger king or maybe Jamba Juice or 5 guys burgers and it would come out to be the same.

I prefer to give people and organizations many chances, maybe 3 is the limit and if they are still FUBAR'd despite the number of chances than yeah....I would write that off. But I would never write it off based on one incident.

This is where the internet folklore and gunshop couch commandos come into play with their 3rd person narrative. OH I heard from my cousins baby sisters momma that the ford fiesta is a POS.

I've heard enough stuff for example about the Beretta M9. I'm now retired army,Corp of Engrs, and I've had nothing but great experience with it in terms of reliability during my deployments and training sessions. In fact, I took two classes with Super Dave Harrington and I was the only one with an m9( officer issued and purchased M9 BTW from the Rock Island Armory program) and it performed solidly, took other pistol classes and I carry it with a crossbreed just fine and it hides just fine. Yes it is heavy..but I am used to it.

In the end, YMMV, but in my opinion, I believe everyone should give whatever noun you are using in the sentence a 2nd chance and if it's still a FUBAR scenario...at least you can say that with an honest authority and the experience to back it up....

Now if we had a scenario and if say like TEMPLAR used century and bought 10 of them and all 10 of them were POS...well.....mail me some crow..... I will gladly make soup out of it .

[SteyrAUG]

I bought a CETME around 2002, it was by far the worst rifle I've ever owned. The muzzle device was a loud compensator and it never got through one magazine without jamming.

That really put me off to the G3/HK91 type rifles even though I know it shouldn't have. I really like the design. If there was a solid "buy this and it will work" rifle in the genre I'd buy it again,.

You didn't really own a CETME though. You owned a rifle built on a CAI receiver using a CETME parts kit that was poorly assembled. It would be like me being put off the AR15 rifle because I bought one made by Century Arms.

[SteyrAUG]

I've had great luck with Century so please put away your surprise and shock faces.

Yugo M76 8mm, runs like a champ and the original scope setup works on it. Not very accurate using MG ammo but when using that dedicated sniper ammo from Yugo...runs and performs great groups.

Yugo M70AB2 which runs like a champ and it came with a pretty ulterly clean and pristine barrel. Has the thicker RPK style receiver. Fired for groups and it performs great using the m67 Yugo ammo. Mines came with the grenade launcher setup and I had the tritium reactivated also. Sling wasn't included nor the cleaning rod but I purchased that with no issues.

Mauser Steyr produced 98k RC, came without cleaning rod but it had a front site hood and an original sling. Used this rifle for classic battle rifle and it performed very well using hunting 8mm ammo from Remington.

Steyr M95/34- Came out fine and one of my favorite to shoot using the prvi partizan ammo.

walther P1, looked brand new to me and fires like a new gun.


In the end, YMMV and so far I've been lucky, same with my luck with Botach....they've been good too. But remember folks, that's just me.

Imported by CAI and built by CAI are two very different thing. The last three on your list were simply imported by CAI, they had no part of the manufacture.

I'm also pretty sure CAI farmed out the builds for the M70s. Don't know the exact nature of the M76 if they were imported and made compliant by CAI or built from kits.

[Mauser KAR98K]

Reading this thread, I miss both of mine: G3 and CAI CETME

I had fun with them, but I could not depend on them. The G3 was on a Hesse receiver I bought from a friend. Jammed repeatedly. The CETME was better in reliability, but CAI never welded a sight on straight in their lives. And the BRAKE was killer under an enclosed shooting range.

One of these days I will grab a PTR-91.

Please add HESSE to the list.

[prdubi]

I must admit that the Cetme a friend bought was a hit for him.

He did send it to Ghilliebear and he installed a flapper mag and replaced the muzzle brake with an original one after the 2004 sunset.

it's a gorgeous rifle with the wood and all the other settings.

it's never going to be an original 60's imported CETME but it's a nice shooter.

then again I believe all of the horror stories so I am just sharing my experience