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    Doc, would you be able to post gel test results for 147gr Gold Dots (and possibly 180gr .40 Gold Dots) in this thread for easy comparison to the above 124(+P) GD results?

    The department I'm looking at hiring onto issues 147gr GD in 9mm and 180gr GD in .40 S&W, and I'm just kind of curious to know the specific numbers - I'd be comfortable with carrying either one as they are both recommended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocGKR View Post
    Ranger-T is generally good to go, the older SXT variants, not so much...
    Copy. I'll replace them with some real ranger Ts, or more than likely just more gold dots. If it ain't broke....

    I also might run them through my glocks for function test and then replace them with 147gr Ranger-Ts, as I figure if it will feed them, it will feed the Ranger Ts. I am not terribly worried about my Gen 3 Glocks feeding quality JHPs though... still first hand experience is better than blind faith.

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    9mm Speer 147 gr JHP Gold Dot (53619) fired from S&W 5906 at ave vel of 1010 f/s; 5 shot ave below:
    BG: Pen = 15.8, RD = 0.53, RL = 0.49, RW = 147.2 gr
    4LD: Pen = 16.7, RD = 0.53, RL = 0.54, RW = 146.2 gr

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake'sDad View Post
    What's great is how many good choices there are today.

    Thanks to names like Fackler, Wolberg, McPherson, our own Dr. Roberts, and all the other IWBA guys, the ammo world is a very different place today then it was 30 years ago.
    You nailed it,sir. I well remember the days when we struggled to create more effective handgun loads. As I've said before,the young guys have it made now. Just pick a load from Doc's list and GO!
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    Thanks Doc, I was very interested to see the 124+P HST and GS Bonded rounds tested. Both appear to be good performers and I will consider them when it it time to order more ammo (when my current supply of 124+P Gold Dot gets low) as I still prefer 124+P in 9mm. For some reason the 124+P HST has been more readily avaiable locally in quantity, at a decent price, than the 147 HST. I didn't want to invest heavily in it until I saw some testing other than what the factory published.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocGKR View Post
    9mm Speer 147 gr JHP Gold Dot (53619) fired from S&W 5906 at ave vel of 1010 f/s; 5 shot ave below:
    BG: Pen = 15.8, RD = 0.53, RL = 0.49, RW = 147.2 gr
    4LD: Pen = 16.7, RD = 0.53, RL = 0.54, RW = 146.2 gr
    Hmm. That RD seems kinda low compared with all the other loads tested.

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    Thanks for sharing this great information Doc. Much appreciated.
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    vicious_cb: The 147 gr Gold Dot has never worked as well as their 124. The 147 gr GD test I posted above was from a few years ago and it was not a stellar lot. Nonetheless even ATK's own data shows the 147 gr Gold Dot to lag a bit behind the 124 +P GD:

    http://le.atk.com/pdf/GoldDotPoster.pdf
    http://le.atk.com/pdf/HSTInsertPoster.pdf

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    Doc, what 147gr load would you consider to have the best performance out of the bunch? I dont mine carrying a 124gr +P but the lower impulse of a 147gr makes follow up shots much easier.
    Last edited by vicious_cb; 09-05-11 at 15:32.

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    As always, I would pick the load that is most reliable and accurate in your pistol, as well as one that is readily available for a reasonable cost. Agencies here have had excellent success with the Federal HST 147 gr JHP (P9HST2) and Winchester Ranger-T 147 gr JHP (RA9T); others have reported good performance with the Federal Tactical 135 gr +P JHP (LE9T5) and Winchester 147 gr bonded JHP (RA9B/Q4364).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocGKR View Post
    The following loads all demonstrate outstanding terminal performance and can be considered acceptable for duty/self-defense use--I'd be satisfied carrying any of them:

    9 mm:

    Barnes XPB 115 gr JHP (copper bullet)
    Federal Tactical 124 gr JHP (LE9T1)
    Federal HST 124 gr +P JHP (P9HST3)
    Remington Golden Saber 124 gr +P JHP bonded (GSB9MMD)
    Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +P JHP
    Winchester Partition Gold 124 gr JHP (RA91P)
    Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
    Winchester Ranger-T 127 gr +P+ JHP (RA9TA)
    Federal Tactical 135 gr +P JHP (LE9T5)
    Federal HST 147 gr JHP (P9HST2)
    Remington Golden Saber 147 gr JHP (GS9MMC)
    Speer Gold Dot 147 gr JHP
    Winchester Ranger-T 147 gr JHP (RA9T)
    Winchester 147 gr bonded JHP (RA9B/Q4364)

    For those looking for the SPEER and Federal LE loads mentioned above, we have them in stock!

    Federal HST P9HST3


    Federal HST P9HST2


    SPEER LE GD53617



    Federal Ammo: http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin...&category=FEDL

    SPEER Ammo:http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin...&category=SPEE



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    That quote about .40, isn't that something Kyle Defoor said? Or was it Jason Falla?...
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    Neither one of those gentlemen made the comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocGKR View Post
    No agency has ever asked us to test the 147 gr +P HST, so I don't have any data comparing the two. Let me see if we can get a box and we'll take a look at it.
    I'd also be interested in seeing the test results for this load.

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    For what it's worth, I have a buddy who has 147 and 147+P HST that he let me shoot out of my G26.

    I shot 4 rounds of each in different mags, back to back. Very little difference. I then alternated in the same magazine. Again, very little difference in recoil...and essentially identical POA/POI when shot offhand at 10 yards.

    I should note that both of these are probably the most accurate rounds I've ever fired out of my G26.

    I'm using a new LWD connector, 22lb wolff recoil springs (upgraded from a 20lb set), and a match grade slide lock from TR Graham. I was dead-nutz accurate off-hand at 50 yards. I banged steel silhouettes off-hand at 75 yards repeatedly using both the 147 and 147 +P rounds. I'm really impressed....was getting hits with shots that I think would have been flyers with my issued GDHP 124 +P's.

    Recoil was more mild than with my agency-issue Gold Dot 124gr +P, though both are quite manageable in my G26. A stark contrast between the relationship of GDHP 124 and 124+P... I'm easily able to tell a difference in recoil between those two.

    Looking forward to Doc's terminal data.
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    DocGKR...first, thank you.

    Second, regarding the 9mm 124gr Gold Dot...
    I understand that it does not perform as well as the +P version, but the "numbers" for the standard pressure version don't look too bad and comparable to some rounds that did make your recommended list (I realize that you have said it performs fine).
    Thinking there's more to it, could you expound on it's absence from the list?
    Last edited by TN-popo; 10-05-11 at 08:18.

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    The 124 gr +P worked better... If someone needs a standard pressure 124 gr, then by all means, the Gold Dot is fine.

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    Thanks for the excellent info. Have you ever tested the Speer 115 gr +p+ Gold Dots?

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    Yes. Penetration is a bit shallow and the 124 gr Gold Dots eclipse it.

    You can check it out yourself, using ATK's own data: http://le.atk.com/pdf/GoldDotPoster.pdf

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    Thanks for the further information. =)

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