Is there any benefit in running the roller cam in a DI carbine?
I know I can't think of any benefit, but POF sells a kit for the DI gun.
Is there any benefit in running the roller cam in a DI carbine?
I know I can't think of any benefit, but POF sells a kit for the DI gun.
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I have one and haven't had any problems with it yet. My action does seem a bit smoother in its operation, however I don't see it as something you should go out and spend the money on with the expectation of it making your carbine "better" or more reliable. I won mine so it cost me nothing.
Last edited by wahoo95; 09-24-11 at 10:26.
From strictly a curiousity standpoint, do you believe that your rifle could, would, or could not function if the roller started to fail by becoming loose or whatever, to outright failing with actual parts seperation but remaining captured by the upper housing and carrier, yet still able to cycle perhaps until the next time things are taken apart?
IOW, given that a conventional part can fail too, is the roller plausibly at least reasonably close to 'trustworthy' as the standard cam or even relatively as durable?
Again, strictly curious on your thoughts as I'm not gonna buy one just to find out, but that doesn't mean I don't want to know.
Last edited by GTifosi; 09-24-11 at 14:25.
One the earliest original designs had rollers, why would the designer leave them off of following designs if they were necessary?
There's 'neccisary' and there's 'cost effective'.
The two don't always go hand in hand at the manufacturing contract level, nor does the designer have the final say in such things.
He may 'want', but the powers that be will 'have'.
The bearing may or may not have been better, but certainly the pin as it exists now is significantly more cost effective and gets the job done adequately to a level where it doesn't hurt money wise to just toss it at X interval and put in another one.
Last edited by GTifosi; 09-25-11 at 09:58.
It does change the wear slightly on the upper where the pin unlocks.
Has anyone ever just machined the wear into the upper?
These pins luckily seem very solid manufactured, the tolerances are something I would never play with and it is well built. In saying that it does seem to have a failure mode that the pin doesn't. That is the roller could come off.
If it locked, then it would maybe take some energy from the bolt group and maybe cause issue with the firing pin, there was a gun called the Hack 7 that had a round (not roller) firing pin that didn't rotate and was problematic.
The square on the standard pin keeps this rotational tendency from happening. The roller cam and a DI system just doesn't sound like a lifelong marriage.
I am scared of cam pins considering that is something thing that could kill you if it were to break.
...But a piston AR company markets a product so it must be better? Naw dude.
I, too, own a POF roller cam pin. I havent noticed any significant increase in the smoothness of the unlocking action and while it may reduce stress somewhat... I believe that regular cam pins manufactured by reputable companies have more history of reliable performance behind them than any piston AR company can conceive of. Again, solution searching for a problem IMO.
we're speaking technically here so there's no need to discredit a product by ignorant merits, is FN a stupid piston company,HK? is the AR 180 a stupid piston gun?
Is the Pin HK added to the barrel extension that prevents the extractor from lifting while bolt is in the extension stupid? I truly think that is cool, that bails out so many bad situations with suppressed systems.
The reason I initially tried it was imagining the loss of power when rounds are stripped from higher capacity magazines. The cam head is within the receiver slot at this point and I thought it was worth trying. In the end I don't know if it does anything over a lubed gun because there truly is nothing wrong with the existing pin.
Frank (POF) was one of the first people to apply some of those all too cool coatings to production items and it was from his time in Aerospace, not in this eternally unevolving industry.
I don't think you need to look at the piston line as an enemy breed, it's like you're fighting your brother saying he's totally genetically screwed. Stoner didn't do any more with DI after the project. Our (the AR) weapon is amazingly good because of the work we have done with the TDP, production, processing, and a commitment to making things better. Not because it was inherently the best from the very beginning.
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