Are vertical grips legal now

[bigrich007]

At the Orlando gun show there was a dealer selling ar pistols with vertical grips. He said that they were legal. The ATF had giving him a letter. Saying that the pistols were more than 26.6 inches long. There were no longer considered a pistol and where consider an other weapon. Anyone aware of this.

[PE556]

yes.

I believe that the ruling by the ATF was based on a question submitted by Kahr regarding some Thompson product that they sell, but it applies to ARs as well if the total length is greater than 26 inches.

[Todd.K]

At the Orlando gun show there was a dealer selling ar pistols with vertical grips.

That configuration is not a pistol.

It is a "firearm" under the GCA, like a Mossberg 12ga with pistol grip is not a shotgun or a pistol.

[obucina]

That configuration is not a pistol.

It is a "firearm" under the GCA, like a Mossberg 12ga with pistol grip is not a shotgun or a pistol.

would that be an AOW?

[shadow65]

Franklin Arms got a ruling from the ATF with an 11.5" AR pistol upper on an AR lower with carbine length buffer tube. Longer than 26", it can have a vert. grip.
Always check you local and state laws.
Dave

[Todd.K]

would that be an AOW?

No, an AOW must be concealable and that is where the 26" OAL minimum comes in.

[Colt-45]

Franklin Arms got a ruling from the ATF with an 11.5" AR pistol upper on an AR lower with carbine length buffer tube. Longer than 26", it can have a vert. grip.
Always check you local and state laws.
Dave

This is where I got the information as well. There's a letter out there, they produce 11.5 ar pistols with VFG's now.

[az doug]

Have VFG's ever been illegal when added to a pistol by the end user? I know the ATF has published their opinion, but has anyone ever been convicted in Federal Court for adding a VFG to a pistol? Every case I have ever read was dismissed by the Judge or found not guilty.

Don't get me wrong, I do not have one on a pistol, nor do I want one. I also understand that I could lose everything/go broke defending myself against the ATF's opinion. I am just wondering if anyone knows of anyone being successfully prosecuted for adding a VFG to a pistol?

[MrM4]

Have VFG's ever been illegal when added to a pistol by the end user?

YES THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN A.O.W. ( Any Other Weapon)

I know the ATF has published their opinion, but has anyone ever been convicted in Federal Court for adding a VFG to a pistol? Every case I have ever read was dismissed by the Judge or found not guilty.

Normally it is thrown out in exchange for a plee on other charges.

Don't get me wrong, I do not have one on a pistol, nor do I want one. I also understand that I could lose everything/go broke defending myself against the ATF's opinion. I am just wondering if anyone knows of anyone being successfully prosecuted for adding a VFG to a pistol?

I can think of the 1 guy with a SP89 on Gunbroker a few years back that got caught when he tried to sell the gun with the VFG attached in the pictures. IIRC he did do alittle time.

[Iraqgunz]

Those of you whom have commented recently need to re-read what was posted and what ToddK mentioned. This is only legal in limited circumstances as has been spelled out.

Don't read into this.