Building AR15 pistols with carbine reciever extensions

[Iraqgunz]

Kind of silly in my opinion since AR pistols are nothing more than an afterthought and rifle/carbine buffers are a necessary part to make the weapon function.

I still think people are "what if'ing" and over thinking this whole thing.

I don't understand why anyone would consider it...what is the intent of using a rifle buffer tube on an AR pistol and how is le / batfe going to view your intent??

[catargadelendaest]

Here's an idea that a buddy of mine floated around. What if you use a standard carbine buffer tube and mill off the locks that allow you to place a stock on it. In other words, if you put a stock on it, It would neither be solid nor secure. if you were to hold the pistol up right, the stock would slide right off?

Let's assume I am a Highway Patrol Officer, you pick the state. You tell me and show me in great detail how adding the stock to your supposed pistol allows the stock to fall off. You demonstrate it three times with your weapon that I have cleared. I just witnessed you add a stock to a pistol three times in a row. I'm tired and cranky. You, sir, are under arrest for the possession of a SBR.

Moreover, the new DA has political ambitions. She needs to build a name for herself. Also, she is not just cranky, she is a piece of bureaucratic work. She decides to argue that people like you are a menace to society.

In the scenario above, Brother, you are toast. You may ultimately prevail but you will spend years in court and a few nights in jail, at least. Your access to your 2A rights will be severly curtailed. Your kids and your dogs will notice an appreciable change in your demeanor due to all of the newfound stress in your life.

It will suck all around even if you are never ultimately convicted.

[TMS951]

The way I see it is the carbine RE is part of the gun. If you build the pistol with the intent of being able to easily convert it to a rifle, you would build it with a carbine RE.

This ruling is in terms of easily switching, a kit, the idea you would be meant to remove and restake the RE is a bit much. Yes you can easily take a stock on and off a carbine RE, but that is the idea.

I think the issue is if you have a pistol with a carbine receiver extension and no extra 16" upper to go with it.

You need a complete conversion to a rifle on hand.

Changing the RE armorer level, a kit to switch back and forth that requires an armorer seems excessive.

One last thing is I think it would better if you built your own "kit" from a stripped receiver. That way, you, the manufacturer could testifly that from the beginning is was built to be a pistol easily converted to a rifle as a kit. I think having the same rail, but different lengths would look good too, because it makes the uppers very similar looking and seem more like a kit. Having a case that all the parts of the "kit" go in together would also be a good idea.

I would be more hesitant to buy a brand X pistol, pull the pistol receiver extension, put on a carbine one and buy another upper from brand Y to go on it. In this case it was never designed by the manufacturer to be a "kit", it was designed as a "pistol", end of story.

[Rentprop1]

Here's an idea that a buddy of mine floated around. What if you use a standard carbine buffer tube and mill off the locks that allow you to place a stock on it. In other words, if you put a stock on it, It would neither be solid nor secure. if you were to hold the pistol up right, the stock would slide right off?

thats exactly what I did to mine, I ground the bottom flat part where the stock would lock into the holes, I ground it flat with a belt sander then added a plastic plumbing cap just a little larger than the tube diameter and pinned it in place to the back to show there is no way a stock could slide back on over the stock. gluing and pinning of the stocks was allowed by manufacturers back during the AWB.

for those that think AR pistols are stupid, my local range will not allow any rifles so I drop in my .22 conv kit and get to shoot this at the range, cap by Spikes
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[Iraqgunz]

Wrong. But, if you feel better then rock out with your cock out.

Let's assume I am a Highway Patrol Officer, you pick the state. You tell me and show me in great detail how adding the stock to your supposed pistol allows the stock to fall off. You demonstrate it three times with your weapon that I have cleared. I just witnessed you add a stock to a pistol three times in a row. I'm tired and cranky. You, sir, are under arrest for the possession of a SBR.

Moreover, the new DA has political ambitions. She needs to build a name for herself. Also, she is not just cranky, she is a piece of bureaucratic work. She decides to argue that people like you are a menace to society.

In the scenario above, Brother, you are toast. You may ultimately prevail but you will spend years in court and a few nights in jail, at least. Your access to your 2A rights will be severly curtailed. Your kids and your dogs will notice an appreciable change in your demeanor due to all of the newfound stress in your life.

It will suck all around even if you are never ultimately convicted.

[Shane1]

The issue being what the ATF is going to consider "Constructive Intent" . IE: If you have a AR pistol with a carbine buffer that would accept a stock without modification, and you have a stock in the same house..Constructive Intent. Just something to think about.

[Iraqgunz]

I guess you didn't get the memo? Constructive Intent is bullshit.

The issue being what the ATF is going to consider "Constructive Intent" . IE: If you have a AR pistol with a carbine buffer that would accept a stock without modification, and you have a stock in the same house..Constructive Intent. Just something to think about.

[Shane1]

I hadnt heard anything recently on this, been out of the loop. Pm sent

[discreet]

Here's an idea that a buddy of mine floated around. What if you use a standard carbine buffer tube and mill off the locks that allow you to place a stock on it. In other words, if you put a stock on it, It would neither be solid nor secure. if you were to hold the pistol up right, the stock would slide right off?

What would be the point of that then? All the work when you can just get a pistol type RE in the first place, for the same cost, rather than destroy a Carbine RE. It's not like there is a shortage of pistol RE's, and not like they cost more. You'd basically be doing a whole bunch of work for really, no point, and then ending with a fugly non round piece of crap at the end of your gun.

Edit :

To add, it is generally thought of as illegal to convert a "pistol" into a rifle, and then back into a pistol. This defeats the purpose of having a "pistol". A lower that is registered as a pistol can't be altered to rifle form. So someone saying hey, I'm going to make my registered pistol into a rifle this weekend, can be pretty boned if they end up being put under the microscope of the law. This of course falls down to state laws. Would be nice if someone could check if this is a federal law as well.

[shadow65]

I put a foam cover on my CAR buffer tube.