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    416's are not available. The closest available in the U.S is the MR556 and I doubt we will be seeing any 416 PDW's.

    RRA is not something most people here would consider reputable.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Knuckle View Post
    Ok, I guess I should have spent more time in wording what I stated.

    I certainly don't claim to know it all. I just want to pass on what I have seen and read

    IF I was buying a rifle to depend my life on, yes, it would be one with a LONG proven track record.

    But, for a recreational shooter there are AR15 options from reputable manufactures.

    As far as buying a HK 416 PDW, I can't say at the moment. I would imagine that you can, or in the near future, you could buy a HK. Since its HK you would need to be LE/Mil.

    For info sake I will post the website/company with a system like HK. You would, however, need to be able to own a SBR.



    For the OP I think this could be a great option. This one is made by RRA, a reputable company.



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    A folding stock is nifty, but is it really that beneficial? Or is it just cool and people want it for that reason?

    Seems like it would only be useful for vehicle ops.

    As far as ARs are concerned, there are no systems out there from any reputable manufacturers. Magpul designed an ACR upper receiver that interfaced with a standard AR lower and would allow for a folding stock, but never did anything with it. HK considered something similar during the development of the 416, but decided that it would only have marginal benefits.

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    http://www.zmweapons.com/



    [IMG]http://www.outdoorsunlimited.net/~chucksmy/guns/zm300-9.JPG[/IMG

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony413 View Post
    http://www.zmweapons.com/



    [IMG]http://www.outdoorsunlimited.net/~chucksmy/guns/zm300-9.JPG[/IMG

    This is about as ghetto as it gets. A bolt carrier lopped in half with a Sawzall and a recoil system underneath the top rail that fails to function if a single tiny washer is lost. I can't believe that people would sacrifice so much just to get a folding stock.

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    ^^^ do you have personal experience with the product from ZM? if so how extensive?

    i personally have not used it but find it interesting please note i in no way intend to use this to defend my life with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justin_247 View Post
    This is about as ghetto as it gets. A bolt carrier lopped in half with a Sawzall and a recoil system underneath the top rail that fails to function if a single tiny washer is lost. I can't believe that people would sacrifice so much just to get a folding stock.
    Nor I, sir. With availability and knowledge here of SBR options, can't imagine why someone would need this. Much less want it.

    Quote Originally Posted by tony413 View Post
    ^^^ do you have personal experience with the product from ZM? if so how extensive?

    i personally have not used it but find it interesting please note i in no way intend to use this to defend my life with.
    I don't know if any of the more seasoned on this board would forked've over hard earned money (ETA: holy fook. 2K plus?!), or their time, to gain said personal experience from that thing.

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    The only reason one would NEED a folding stock would be if some kind of mission requirement was that the gun fit into a very specific space. I am 100% sure that if this theoretical mission ever occurred, a robust, reliable, and fully tested solution would be what was asked for... not whatever monstrosity that thing is... Or RRA for that matter.
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    Hmmm..wondering whatever happened to wanting to build, create, or have something "Just Because". Folks have been defending themselves from anti gunners for so long they feel everything must be justifiable.

    Pretty sad display.
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    The issue here is that NONE of the folding-stock rifles mentioned are worth anything.

    If you don't have a decently reliable rifle, what is the point of having it? Might as well have a pointy stick...

    Nightgunner, you would be well advised to step back, and think about what this site is about. This site is NOT about buying "neat" guns that serve no practical purpose and are unreliable.

    If you want YHM rifles, and weird unreliable weapons, by all means, buy to your hearts content, but don't come here and ask for advice on said weird and unreliable weapons....



    If you want a rifle with a folding stock, look at an Arsenal AK. They are very reliable, proven rifles, and the price is unbeatable.

    I don't think anyone here is saying that you shouldn't get a rifle with a folding stock (although that feature is of dubious value.) If that is what you want, there are quite a few good options out there that would provide you with a very serviceable weapon without sacrificing reliability.
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    It would only seem a step in evolution to remove the spring & buffer and make a smaller more compact self contained unit that will help the bolt reciprocate more efficiently.

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