What type of 5.56 round for a WROL situation.

[.Scarecrow.]

I live up in Michigan and I need advise for a good self defense round for a Without Rule of Law situation. (Just in case)

Specs:

Barrel length: 14.5"
Twist: Undecided, leaning toward 1/7
range: 0-200m

I am not sure about the Mk262 77 gr because a guy on another forum had a good point about if (God forbid) you were to face someone with a chest rig that with rifle mags. A round that would penetrate that and still be effective. He said the 77 gr HP probably won't have enough penetration. What are your thoughts?

[Texas42]

Bout 100k of .22 lr, a peice of land away from anyone else, some crops to grow, a big garden. A couple places to get water. Enough sons and brothers to make anyone who tries to steal from you a living nightmare. A river or place to set a trought line.

Thats my WROL desired situation.

[JasonM]

Texas is right on.

But to your original question, first, a chest rig with mags is not going to stop anything rifle-related. The "guy on the other forum" is wrong.

Second, go with 1:7" twist so you can have the flexibility of using heavier rounds if you want.

MK262 is OK, but it's accurate at long range, but expensive and not in the current crop of best performers....

If money is no issue, I'd look at Barnes TSX 50gr from black hills, or something like the federal Fusion softpoints, or better yet TBBC...

If money is an issue, I'd just stick with XM193.

There's no magic bullet. Doc lays out the good stuff and info here: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19881

[Failure2Stop]

I am not sure about the Mk262 77 gr because a guy on another forum had a good point about if (God forbid) you were to face someone with a chest rig that with rifle mags. A round that would penetrate that and still be effective. He said the 77 gr HP probably won't have enough penetration. What are your thoughts?

HAHAHAHAHA!
Mk262 will easily defeat a filled magazine and give good result on the other side.
Right now though, the barrier blind ammo as recommended by DocGKR seem to be the best overall performers:
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19881

[.Scarecrow.]

Texas is right on.

But to your original question, first, a chest rig with mags is not going to stop anything rifle-related. The "guy on the other forum" is wrong.

Second, go with 1:7" twist so you can have the flexibility of using heavier rounds if you want.

MK262 is OK, but it's accurate at long range, but expensive and not in the current crop of best performers....

If money is no issue, I'd look at Barnes TSX 50gr from black hills, or something like the federal Fusion softpoints, or better yet TBBC...

If money is an issue, I'd just stick with XM193.

There's no magic bullet. Doc lays out the good stuff and info here: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19881

Okay, and is 50 grains really enough? Not doubting you, I even think 55 grain is light. But I honestly don't know. I'll check those rounds out. Is it required for bullets to fragment for them to do a lot of damage? I have heard Fragmentation is not everything.

[.Scarecrow.]

How good are Silver State Armory rounds? They seem to make a wide array of 5.56 rounds. They sound like solid choices, but what do you guys think?

[Failure2Stop]

How good are Silver State Armory rounds? They seem to make a wide array of 5.56 rounds. They sound like solid choices, but what do you guys think?

If you truly want to maximize effectiveness, follow the recommendations of DocGKR. He is a world renowned authority on terminal ballistics.

[Iraqgunz]

I think these kinds of scenario based questions are silly.

[Belmont31R]

Yes read the sticky's and follow Doc's advice.



I personally have defensive use mags loaded with Speer GDHP 5.56MM 55 and 64 grain loads, and Federal LE223T3. The Speer GDHP 5.56 64GR is whats in my home defense AR. All are recommend loads from Doc.



For back up stash I have IMI M193 since I can't afford to keep thousands of rounds around of GDHP and especially not LE223T3.

[.Scarecrow.]

okay, I'll get one of the ones he recommends