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    Glock Extractor Issues Gen 4 - Gen 3

    Proud owner of Gen 3 17,19,26 and a 21sf.

    I couldn't help but stumble upon an issue today while reading some threads online. Perhaps I have been under a rock, because I had not heard of this internet "glock extractor mania" until today.

    The opinions and expertise found on the resource of M4carbine.net is where I believe the rumors can be boiled away and the facts brought out.

    The issue is that supposedly many 2010-2011 glocks, including Gen 3's were issued or shipped with extractors that are different from Gen 3's from 2009 and earlier.

    see photos on this thread, page (4) especially:
    http://www.firearmstrainingandtactic...?t=1546&page=4

    My questions are:

    What is the story really? Is this internet pajama ninja dilirium?

    Did glock change the extractors?

    What is the Gen 4 concave topped extractor pictured on the above thread? Page (4)

    Could this all be poor pistol marksmanship and limp wristing with blaming the gun?

    Anyway, I hope we can get some relevent answers, rational discussion and hard evidence (pictures are nice).

    I own glocks, shoot glocks and also own and shoot 1911s. THIS IS NOT A GUN BASHING THREAD.

    Please refrain from turning this into an ego fest. Facts only and 1st person experiences. Thank you and lets get to the bottom of this.


    Added on 2/14/2012:

    As the creator of this thread I ask at this point that any and all threads about YOUR gun include the following information:

    - First 3 letters of serial # and or test fire date from factory.
    - Generation of Glock (3 or 4)
    - Number of rounds TOTAL fired through pistol
    - Any changes made to pistol by you or armorer or Glock (parts etc.)
    - Issues you are having.
    - Ammo used during issues (manufacturer, weight etc.)
    Last edited by TacMedic556; 02-14-12 at 20:17. Reason: page number insertion. addition.

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    How do your glocks shoot? How have they been working? How many rounds have you put through your g17 and g19?

    I ask these questions because if your glocks are performing well, it does not matter what might be happening elsewere.

    I have had a couple of gen 3 g19s with the dip extractor that have performed absolutely great.

    Problems with late model gen 3's have been rare. Things tend to get blown out of proportion on the internet and forums. People think the sky is falling and start looking to find issues.

    If your glocks are running great,keep on.

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    I shoot winchester Olin Nato stamped 124 grain ball ammo. I buy in bulk.

    For defensive carry I have shot and carry Speer gold dot. I have also burned through some 140+ grain stuff.

    I have never had so much as a burp, FTE, FTF, nothing. I have done rapid fire, shooting on the move, drills, mag changes, shoot until slide lock back etc. No hickups. I believe mine are fine. My extractors don't have this supposed "curve" or "concave" depression on them either.

    I hope we get more information from others.

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    Speaking as one of the contributors to the thread you cite, I can assure you there are no "ninjas" posting in the thread. Did you think the pictures and firsthand experiences related there were fabricated?

    Glock extractors didn't use to do these things. As I relate on my blog, I had to polish mine to make it drop in without binding slightly in my slide.

    Quote Originally Posted by TacMedic556 View Post
    Proud owner of Gen 3 17,19,26 and a 21sf.

    I couldn't help but stumble upon an issue today while reading some threads online. Perhaps I have been under a rock, because I had not heard of this internet "glock extractor mania" until today.

    The opinions and expertise found on the resource of M4carbine.net is where I believe the rumors can be boiled away and the facts brought out.

    The issue is that supposedly many 2010-2011 glocks, including Gen 3's were issued or shipped with extractors that are different from Gen 3's from 2009 and earlier.

    see photos on this thread, page (4) especially:
    http://www.firearmstrainingandtactic...?t=1546&page=4

    My questions are:

    What is the story really? Is this internet pajama ninja dilirium?

    Did glock change the extractors?

    What is the Gen 4 concave topped extractor pictured on the above thread? Page (4)

    Could this all be poor pistol marksmanship and limp wristing with blaming the gun?

    Anyway, I hope we can get some relevent answers, rational discussion and hard evidence (pictures are nice).

    I own glocks, shoot glocks and also own and shoot 1911s. THIS IS NOT A GUN BASHING THREAD.

    Please refrain from turning this into an ego fest. Facts only and 1st person experiences. Thank you and lets get to the bottom of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TacMedic556 View Post
    Could this all be poor pistol marksmanship and limp wristing with blaming the gun?
    I can't say that none of them are user induced, but I can say that there are some that are definately NOT user induced.
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    If your guns work - then good.

    I have 2 guns with the new "dip' extractor and, like you, I have not had a single problem with them.

    It's just another thing to keep your eyes peeled for.

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    Limp wristing is a bullshit excuse perpetuated by 1911 owners to mask inaedquacies in their weapons. Most of the people in the thread TacMedic linked to are graduates of the Vickers Advanced Tactical Pistol class. They were NOT limp wristing.

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    Thanks LB. I did not mean to insinuate you were a pajama ninja. It just seems that sometimes the internet seems to blow things out of proportion. Appreciate the photos on the thread and your research. Where does one find GLOCK Inc. extractors on the market? If I wanted to order the older non-dip LCI ones, where would I look?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TacMedic556 View Post
    Thanks LB. I did not mean to insinuate you were a pajama ninja. It just seems that sometimes the internet seems to blow things out of proportion. Appreciate the photos on the thread and your research. Where does one find GLOCK Inc. extractors on the market? If I wanted to order the older non-dip LCI ones, where would I look?
    Do your Gen 3 Glocks work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TacMedic556 View Post
    Thanks LB. I did not mean to insinuate you were a pajama ninja. It just seems that sometimes the internet seems to blow things out of proportion. Appreciate the photos on the thread and your research. Where does one find GLOCK Inc. extractors on the market? If I wanted to order the older non-dip LCI ones, where would I look?
    LoneWolf has them in. I'm waiting on the LoneWolf made LCI ones myself, currently on back order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Man View Post
    Do your Gen 3 Glocks work?
    Yes they do. So far. I have read some get the problems at round counts of upwards of 2500+ rounds. So far mine have done great.

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    My Glock 19 (gen 3, but mid-2011 test fire date) has fed 100% reliably so far. Zero issues. However, my face gets bombarded with brass casings to the tune of around 1 out of ever 5 ejections. They are ejecting with PLENTY of force (my forehead can attest to that), but occasionally doing so straight back.

    I'm awaiting the LWD extractor, but it's on backorder still.

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    10rd mags causing FTEs

    my glock 34 gen3 is brand new. i took it out yesterday for the first time using the Cal legal 10rd mags it came with, I had several fail to ejects (type 3).
    for comparison, i used some older 17rd mags and the pistol functioned without fail.
    the 10rd mags are single stack. would that have anything to do with it?
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    My Gen3 Glocks have been 100% perfect as have my Hk USP and P30. Would not trade the Gen3 for any other personal defense gun which is why I have not "upgraded" to the Gen4's. Maybe if Glock came out with a 120% reliable generation gun I would consider an upgrade - but until then I will stick with my Gen3's for sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Javelin View Post
    My Gen3 Glocks have been 100% perfect as have my Hk USP and P30. Would not trade the Gen3 for any other personal defense gun which is why I have not "upgraded" to the Gen4's. Maybe if Glock came out with a 120% reliable generation gun I would consider an upgrade - but until then I will stick with my Gen3's for sure!
    Exactly why I picked up the gen 3 instead of gen 4. The "upgrades" are minor at best, downgrades at worst.

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    Here are two videos I just happened to shoot showing erratic ejection and both videos include a stovepipe. Each happened within 50 rounds of each other.

    Late 2010 Gen3 19. Gun's run flawless for about 4K rounds. The descriptions in the videos have some more information. To summarize, this is my daughter and the stovepipes only happened with her shooting. I just got pinged in the forehead a bunch.

    "Limp wristing"? You decide.

    http://youtu.be/RtVcaR5v4QY
    http://youtu.be/O8WIqW-GRms

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    Quote Originally Posted by PieceKeeper View Post
    Here are two videos I just happened to shoot showing erratic ejection and both videos include a stovepipe. Each happened within 50 rounds of each other.

    Late 2010 Gen3 19. Gun's run flawless for about 4K rounds. The descriptions in the videos have some more information. To summarize, this is my daughter and the stovepipes only happened with her shooting. I just got pinged in the forehead a bunch.

    "Limp wristing"? You decide.

    http://youtu.be/RtVcaR5v4QY
    http://youtu.be/O8WIqW-GRms
    I really need to shoot my 2010 gen 3 more. Is the extractor the only change in the late model gen 3 glocks? If that is the problem I wish Glock would have kept the same type of extractor and charged more for the pistol. I am sure people would have paid extra.

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    This subject has been covered on a couple of threads on this forum.

    All I can say for the short version is that my Gen 3 Glock with the "concave top" extractor would launch the empties right in my face. Since switching to the Lone Wolf extractor, extraction and ejection are way to the right and away from me.

    Nuff said as far as which extractor is better in my book.
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    Can anyone tell me what the dip in the extractor is for? I mean obviously Glock did i for a reason. Did it reduce a critical stress point, was it meant to aid in extraction and just came up short? Any ideas?

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    I have late model G19 & G17 RTF2's and they are both ejecting brass in a normal fashion, away from my body. They are bone stock and both have the dip extractor. 1,179 rds thru the 19 and 266 rds thru the 17. Mostly WWB 115 gr fmj's, with some Win T 124gr +p and Fed HST 147gr +p. No malfunctions of any kind, even while double tapping thru a happy stick and one handed shooting, weak & strong side.
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