SPR? Help!

[ColdDeadHands]

Ok, in a different thread I was thinking and asking opinions about a bolt gun. One or more posters suggested an SPR type rifle instead.

I'm looking to most likely shoot within 500 yards using 77gr ammo. There are so many options out there so I'm looking for advice if one is better then the other.

Option 1;
BCM MK12 Mod 0 Bravo upper with the PRI Hand guard
BCM Lower with Geissele DMR Trigger and Magpul ACS
KAC Micro 600M rear sight

Option 2;
18" Larue Stealth Upper with Troy folding sights
Larue Lower with Colts LPK, Geissele DMR Trigger and Magpul ACS

Option 3;
Larue PredatAR 5.56

My concern with the PredatAR's Pencil barrel is that it will heat up too quickly and open up group size.

The optic will be most likely a Leupold VX-R Patrol either in 1.25-4 or the 3-9...mounted in a Larue SPR/M4 mount.

[Eurodriver]

If I were shooting within 500 yards and already looking at rifles with those prices, I would go with a Noveske 16".

http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin...status=&title=

Are you trying to shoot prarie dogs or something? Do you shoot in high winds?

What is selling you on an 18" barrel?

[Belmont31R]

18" I would want the MK12 profile barrel with rifle gas. BCM makes that barrel and Centurion or HCS sells the mil spec MK12 barrels.


16" is more handy and works well with the mid length gas. They are just as accurate but an 18" w/ rifle gas shoots 'that' much smoother as well as a slight velocity gain.


Why the PRI handguard?


With an 18" I would prefer a bit more magnification and have it serve as a dedicated LR (for 5.56 anyways) rifle.

16" I would want a 1-4X type optic and have it be a jack of all trades..or even go with a 14.5" Noveske Afghan barrel for an even more compact setup. I have had all 3 lengths and they all work well. Just a difference of personal preference setup between each.




Noveske owned photo (14.5" Afghan):

[ICANHITHIMMAN]

I'm playing with this parts build right now. Choped up BCM A4 with a 1-4 power optic. I realy wish I had a more powerfull optic but times are tight. So I jumped this off my 16" rifle. I like the 20" barrel alot with the long hand guard but I'm a big guy so I can toss it around.

I think any of the choice's you listed are great but I would choose a heavy profile barrel.

[ColdDeadHands]

I'm playing with this parts build right now. Choped up BCM A4 with a 1-4 power optic. I realy wish I had a more powerfull optic but times are tight. So I jumped this off my 16" rifle. I like the 20" barrel alot with the long hand guard but I'm a big guy so I can toss it around.

I think any of the choice's you listed are great but I would choose a heavy profile barrel.

Thanks for the info, I do like the fact that I could use a 1-4 or 1.25-4 power optic for close quarters if necessary. My dream glass would be the S&B 1.1-8.

[ICANHITHIMMAN]

Thanks for the info, I do like the fact that I could use a 1-4 or 1.25-4 power optic for close quarters if necessary. My dream glass would be the S&B 1.1-8.

I'm kind of holding out for this MK6 leupold KevinB alluded to in the M110 thread. Same Horus rectical as in the MK8 but less cost which is what I'm all about. I'm realy a Leupold whore great american company with the best pricing for MIL/LE I have ever seen!

[ColdDeadHands]

18" I would want the MK12 profile barrel with rifle gas. BCM makes that barrel and Centurion or HCS sells the mil spec MK12 barrels.


16" is more handy and works well with the mid length gas. They are just as accurate but an 18" w/ rifle gas shoots 'that' much smoother as well as a slight velocity gain.


Why the PRI handguard?


With an 18" I would prefer a bit more magnification and have it serve as a dedicated LR (for 5.56 anyways) rifle.

16" I would want a 1-4X type optic and have it be a jack of all trades..or even go with a 14.5" Noveske Afghan barrel for an even more compact setup. I have had all 3 lengths and they all work well. Just a difference of personal preference setup between each.




Noveske owned photo (14.5" Afghan):

Those are some nice looking rifles. As for the PRI hand guard - no specific reason other then the authentic look. Are they not good? Can I get more info on the larue build?

[Belmont31R]

Those are some nice looking rifles. As for the PRI hand guard - no specific reason other then the authentic look. Are they not good? Can I get more info on the larue build?

It was just a factory 16" LT Stealth (SS barrel with mid length gas), LT 12" rail, KAC sights, LT lower, ect. My 2nd Stealth upper, and they both shot very well and very reliable. I would recommend them to someone looking for a good quality upper that will be put together and shoot great right out of the box. They have 1-8" twist and Wylde chambers.

As mentioned the 18" does feel more like a rifle whereas the 16" feels like a bigger carbine. With the SS barrels the front end weight is probably a lot more than someone would be used to with like a 14.5" M4.

FWIW I never had any issues hitting targets at 500 yards with the 16". Out to 750 they have a little more drop (a few clicks). If you are not planning shooting past 500 I think the 16" would be fine, and 2" off the end of the gun will seem like a lot. Combined with a decent variable its a hard to beat combination of accuracy, compactness, and all around versatility.

If you want to put together something yourself Id also recommend checking out the Centurion Arms 16" Recce barrels. They are based on the same thing as the MK12 barrels which are Douglas blanks, and shoot very well, too.

WOA also makes a good SS barrel, and is worth looking at. If you wanted to go premium I would check out Lilja and Krieger. Noveske always makes good stuff if you wanted to throw one of those in to your own build.

If I were going to build another precision AR rig it would have a cut rifle Krieger barrel, SS, and 1-7.7" twist.

[ALCOAR]

I'd look strongly into using a SD-E or a SSA-E trigger.

I'd also look into going the 2/3-9/10x optic route vs. the 1-4x route.

Bottom line..don't skimp on the barrel, the glass, or the trigger

[ColdDeadHands]

If I were shooting within 500 yards and already looking at rifles with those prices, I would go with a Noveske 16".

http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin...status=&title=

Are you trying to shoot prarie dogs or something? Do you shoot in high winds?

What is selling you on an 18" barrel?

The reasons Belmont31R listed. No prairie dogs that I know of around here...we do have some feral dogs move into the woods behind the house tho...

The Noveske Rifles are great, owned a N4 and a Reece SS before. I just feel like that I get more for my $ if I build one myself.