FrogLube...behind the scenes, at a glance

[WS6]

So...here is the guy who invented it...right?

http://www.linkedin.com/in/larrylasky

But what's this?

http://seal1.net/Seal-1-PRODUCT-PAGE.html#anchor_53

Totally different guys, both SEAL's, coincidence? Well, maybe.

But what about people who say this "Froglube" evolved from Track Lube Plus, a roller-coaster lube? The paste sure applies the same...
http://www.tracklubeplus.com/index.htm


Yeah, but the first two could be coincidence and the third...what's the relevance?

Well, let me tie it all together for you...
http://www.catalog.biopreferred.gov/...etails?ID=5244


And this leads us to the entity behind the curtain...

http://www.trillium-solutions.net

and who is the head of all of this?

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/scott-lee/A/AA5/B72

So unless two SEALS independently came up with lubricants that do the same thing and make near identical claims, along with a guy who wants a lube for his roller-coasters, and they ALL got Trillium to do the production and marketing for their products, all around the same time...

[jmart]

So...here is the guy who invented it...right?

http://www.linkedin.com/in/larrylasky

But what's this?

http://seal1.net/Seal-1-PRODUCT-PAGE.html#anchor_53

Totally different guys, both SEAL's, coincidence? Well, maybe.

But what about people who say this "Froglube" evolved from Track Lube Plus, a roller-coaster lube? The paste sure applies the same...
http://www.tracklubeplus.com/index.htm


Yeah, but the first two could be coincidence and the third...what's the relevance?

Well, let me tie it all together for you...
http://www.catalog.biopreferred.gov/...etails?ID=5244


And this leads us to the entity behind the curtain...

http://www.trillium-solutions.net

and who is the head of all of this?

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/scott-lee/A/AA5/B72

So unless two SEALS independently came up with lubricants that do the same thing and make near identical claims, along with a guy who wants a lube for his roller-coasters, and they ALL got Trillium to do the production and marketing for their products, all around the same time...

Your point is lost on me.......

[WS6]

Your point is lost on me.......

Why are they claiming Lasky invented it? Did he and the other SEAL simultaneously invent the same thing...along with roller-coaster track lube? Do they also have some beachfront property I can buy in Nebraska?

[jmart]

All of this because a nail rusted in salwater?

[Thomas M-4]

Its re-branded that doesn't surprise you does it

[An Undocumented Worker]

All I really care about in relation to Froglube, is that it lubricates stuff like they say it does, cleans like they say it does, and provides decent protection from rust as compared to untreated surfaces. Oh and that it doesn't make me grow another head off of my neck.

So far it seems to be delivering on the First two claims. The third claim will be tougher to evaluate, since I have yet to have problems with rust on any of my firearms with any product.

I might not know for certain on the last claim for many years down the road, but I don't plan on buttering my toast with the stuff either.




Lastly, why make a new thread when posting this in the froglube thread would have been more appropriate?

[WS6]

All I really care about in relation to Froglube, is that it lubricates stuff like they say it does, cleans like they say it does, and provides decent protection from rust as compared to untreated surfaces. Oh and that it doesn't make me grow another head off of my neck.

So far it seems to be delivering on the First two claims. The third claim will be tougher to evaluate, since I have yet to have problems with rust on any of my firearms with any product.

I might not know for certain on the last claim for many years down the road, but I don't plan on buttering my toast with the stuff either.




Lastly, why make a new thread when posting this in the froglube thread would have been more appropriate?

This thread has the same subject, but a different topic. It would be like posting all questions about barrels under 1 thread. We have many threads about the same "product/brand", as it were. If the mods don't like it, I wouldn't mind a merge in the slightest.

My question arises because: If it is so good, why the smoke/mirrors and identical products both on the market from the same manufacturer with no ties to the source and a story about SEAL development for both? Was the roller-coaster lube developed by a SEAL, too?

I want to know why the half-truths in advertising. Does this not bother others? Has there been anything but back-yard testing so-far to evaluate the more important aspects of the product?

[jmart]

This thread has the same subject, but a different topic. It would be like posting all questions about barrels under 1 thread. We have many threads about the same "product/brand", as it were. If the mods don't like it, I wouldn't mind a merge in the slightest.

My question arises because: If it is so good, why the smoke/mirrors and identical products both on the market from the same manufacturer with no ties to the source and a story about SEAL development for both? Was the roller-coaster lube developed by a SEAL, too?

I want to know why the half-truths in advertising. Does this not bother others? Has there been anything but back-yard testing so-far to evaluate the more important aspects of the product?

How do you know the products are identical? George Fennel has a company that offers several different lubes. Are they all the same recipe, and the only difference is the label/branding?

SLIP markets several different lubes. Whether or not they make them or have a chemical company make them to SLIPs specs (or SLIP went reaching out and bought into some off-the-shelf formulation and re-named it "Slip 200"), I have no idea. But do you think they are all the same?

This sounds like the makings of a vast lubing conspiracy. I can see the movie now......

[WS6]

How do you know the products are identical? George Fennel has a company that offers several different lubes. Are they all the same recipe, and the only difference is the label/branding?

SLIP markets several different lubes. Whether or not they make them or have a chemical company make them to SLIPs specs (or SLIP went reaching out and bought into some off-the-shelf formulation and re-named it "Slip 200"), I have no idea. But do you think they are all the same?

This sounds like the makings of a vast lubing conspiracy. I can see the movie now......

Does George Fennel have 2 different people claiming to be responsible for those products?

Does SLIP re-brand their lubricants so as to compete with each other in a similar fashion?

[An Undocumented Worker]

This thread has the same subject, but a different topic. It would be like posting all questions about barrels under 1 thread. We have many threads about the same "product/brand", as it were. If the mods don't like it, I wouldn't mind a merge in the slightest.

My question arises because: If it is so good, why the smoke/mirrors and identical products both on the market from the same manufacturer with no ties to the source and a story about SEAL development for both? Was the roller-coaster lube developed by a SEAL, too?

I want to know why the half-truths in advertising. Does this not bother others? Has there been anything but back-yard testing so-far to evaluate the more important aspects of the product?

To be perfectly honest, no I don't care that they take the same product, add a different scent to it and market it under a different label, with a different company created for each brand.

This is common practice for many consumer goods, especially when it can be used in different industries. Sometimes it's better to market something as a different product so as to get past any emotional hangups a consumer might have, about say using a home laundry detergent as a parts washing agent, or vice versa.

Froglube doesn't appear to make any claims that Lasky invented the stuff, just helps with development. Perhaps Lasky is a retired Seal who was looking to start his own business, knew some people who had a product he liked, and decided it worked well for firearms and thus rebranded it and started distributing it.

This part of business,

Make a discovery "tide works great as a parts cleaner" (completely hypothetical claim there)

Buy Tide in bulk,

Rebrand and market to a different target market.

Profit!


Maybe it's a slightly different scenario. Some industrial group has lube they are using in one industries, an employee decides to test it on his firearms. Employee finds out it works great for this use. Management wants to start marketing it to firearms enthusiasts, and runs it by the marketing department.
Marketing department says Gun nuts love Seals, lets find a seal to act as the figurehead of our new Froglube division.

Company Profits,
Retired Seal gets payed
Customers happy with product?

Great Success!