Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 38

Thread: Wear in an M4?

  1. #11
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Pondwater CO
    Posts
    527
    Feedback Score
    0
    I would think that the contact points between the bolt and the upper receiver would start to show excessive wear. We are talking steel against aluminum moving back and forth rapidly and frequently.

    Or is there enough contact all around the bolt akin to a piston in an engine cylinder instead of just a couple of rails?
    Sticks

    Grasseater // Grass~eat~er noun, often attributive \ˈgras-ē-tər\
    A person who is incapable of independent thought; a person who is herd animal-like in behavior; one who cannot distinguish between right and wrong; a foolish person.
    See also Sheep

  2. #12
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    VA
    Posts
    7,473
    Feedback Score
    12 (100%)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sticks View Post
    I would think that the contact points between the bolt and the upper receiver would start to show excessive wear. We are talking steel against aluminum moving back and forth rapidly and frequently.

    Or is there enough contact all around the bolt akin to a piston in an engine cylinder instead of just a couple of rails?
    As IG already said, wear occurs to a point and then stops.

  3. #13
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    AZ
    Posts
    32,950
    Feedback Score
    14 (100%)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sticks View Post
    I would think that the contact points between the bolt and the upper receiver would start to show excessive wear. We are talking steel against aluminum moving back and forth rapidly and frequently.

    Or is there enough contact all around the bolt akin to a piston in an engine cylinder instead of just a couple of rails?
    Almost every other part on the gun would have to wear out and be replaced twice before that would be an issue.
    "What would a $2,000 Geissele Super Duty do that a $500 PSA door buster on Black Friday couldn't do?" - Stopsign32v

  4. #14
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    652
    Feedback Score
    10 (100%)
    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    We don't use a "go" or "no go" gage. We use a "field" gage. Throat erosion is measured with a bore erosion gage.

    All weapon are to be fully inspected and gaged at least annually.

    The gas key hardly ever wears and only needs replacing when someone dicks with it or drops it. There is no standard as to when a barrel will go out. It depends on rate of fire and lots of other variables.
    IG,

    How important or necessary is it to check headspace after installing a new BCG? What are the variables that more or less mandate it? Round count? Like anything else, when in doubt, do it, but I am curious of your take. Thanks.

  5. #15
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    NOVA
    Posts
    1,178
    Feedback Score
    1 (100%)
    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    What determines when an M4 is "worn out"?

    I understand less wear is always better, but does the relationship between the BCG and the upper matter, or only to the extent that excess friction to the point of failure is not created during cycling, and that the bolt is guided into the locking lucks of the barrel extension?

    What exactly are the "critical" wear areas (if any, besides the bolt/barrel extension/throat) in the M4/AR-15?
    Unless you are shooting over 1000rnds a week, for YEARS, you are not going to wear out a reciver/BCG. Most shooters will never even wear out a barrel in their lifetimes.

  6. #16
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    AZ-Waging jihad against crappy AR's.
    Posts
    24,900
    Feedback Score
    104 (100%)
    I always do it. But, that's me. I think it's especially important considering people are mixing and matching parts from different vendors/ manufacturers.

    Quote Originally Posted by pomyc View Post
    IG,

    How important or necessary is it to check headspace after installing a new BCG? What are the variables that more or less mandate it? Round count? Like anything else, when in doubt, do it, but I am curious of your take. Thanks.



    Owner/Instructor at Semper Paratus Arms

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SemperParatusArms/

    Semper Paratus Arms AR15 Armorer Course http://www.semperparatusarms.com/cou...-registration/

    M4C Misc. Training and Course Announcements- http://www.m4carbine.net/forumdisplay.php?f=141

    Master Armorer/R&D at SIONICS Weapon Systems- http://sionicsweaponsystems.com

  7. #17
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    240
    Feedback Score
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I always do it. But, that's me. I think it's especially important considering people are mixing and matching parts from different vendors/ manufacturers.
    IG - What headspace gages do you use/recommend? I've been looking for the field gages (field reject gage?), but I've only been able to find the go and no-go sets by Clymerm, Forster and a few others.

  8. #18
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    AZ-Waging jihad against crappy AR's.
    Posts
    24,900
    Feedback Score
    104 (100%)
    As much as I hate to admit it, Bushmaster has a "Field" gage for 30.00.

    http://www.bushmaster.com/products.asp?cat=15

    Quote Originally Posted by drck1000 View Post
    IG - What headspace gages do you use/recommend? I've been looking for the field gages (field reject gage?), but I've only been able to find the go and no-go sets by Clymerm, Forster and a few others.



    Owner/Instructor at Semper Paratus Arms

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SemperParatusArms/

    Semper Paratus Arms AR15 Armorer Course http://www.semperparatusarms.com/cou...-registration/

    M4C Misc. Training and Course Announcements- http://www.m4carbine.net/forumdisplay.php?f=141

    Master Armorer/R&D at SIONICS Weapon Systems- http://sionicsweaponsystems.com

  9. #19
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    4,928
    Feedback Score
    4 (100%)
    Oh yay!

    Look at your link near the bottom IG, they are selling green abrasive scouring pads to polish the tail of your bolt carrier!

    Lets use an abrasive on a gas seal!
    My brother saw Deliverance and bought a Bow. I saw Deliverance and bought an AR-15.

  10. #20
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    125
    Feedback Score
    0
    I can't believe I.G. hasn't mentioned the one thing that will cause a rifle to be worn out. Because it has the serial number on it, the lower receiver "is" the rifle. Any other parts could be replaced as needed. As far as a lower wearing out, I was a unit armorer in the early '80s and saw 5 rifles that were coded out for the same reason, excessive wear on the pin holes in the lower. They all displayed the same symptoms "fails function check". On semi they would fire when you pulled the trigger (and hold it), cycled the bolt and would fire again when you released the bolt. When taken to General Support and checked with the pin gauge, the holes were enlarged. All five rifles were Hydramatic manufactured rifles and my speculation would be that they used a softer alloy of aluminum than Colt or H & R did. All were M16A1s manufactured in the early '70s, so they were about 12-15 years old at the time.
    “Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig.” Robert Heinlein

Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •