ALG Defense's new ALG Combat Trigger (ACT)...

[HaydenB]

I am curious as to why some people are poo-poing these triggers. I installed one last week, and although I only put a few rounds through it, myself and others who tried it could definitely feel the difference between it and and standard USGI.

It's no Geissele SSA, but it is a decent trigger for the price.

I'm curious as well. I have no experience with the ACT, but the QMS I installed last week is bar none the best milspec trigger I've ever pulled.

I could be wrong, but I think it might be a case of people expecting a $65 SSA-E.

[Iraqgunz]

I'm sorry I mis-typed. I meant to say the QMS trigger as well.

I'm curious as well. I have no experience with the ACT, but the QMS I installed last week is bar none the best milspec trigger I've ever pulled.

I could be wrong, but I think it might be a case of people expecting a $65 SSA-E.

[punkey71]

While I haven't publicly poo-pooed it (I've actually been 1 click away from owning one) I just can't see where it fits into my rifles.

I have what I consider CQB guns and some medium range guns as well.

I don't think I would ever notice the benefits the ALG affords in a CQB distance role. I already have SSA's on my medium range guns and wouldn't go backwards and lose the SSA's benefits.

It's not that I don't think Geissele did a wonderful job perfecting the mil-spec trigger, I simply can't find a situation where it makes sense to me.

In my very humble opinion it's a poor man's SSA, not a rich man's mil-spec.

Best,
Harold

I am curious as to why some people are poo-poing these triggers. I installed one last week, and although I only put a few rounds through it, myself and others who tried it could definitely feel the difference between it and and standard USGI.

It's no Geissele SSA, but it is a decent trigger for the price.

[SW-Shooter]

I'm curious as well. I have no experience with the ACT, but the QMS I installed last week is bar none the best milspec trigger I've ever pulled.

I could be wrong, but I think it might be a case of people expecting a $65 SSA-E.

I have adamantly agreed with your opinion in previous postings. Anyone that expects anything but a drop dead consistent milspec trigger is expecting too much for their $65.00, ALG advertises nothing more than such either.

[ALCOAR]

IG, Hayden, and SW give me plenty of confidence in the fact that the majority of ACT/QMS end users will understand and appreciate the place these new triggers have.

I just noticed that folks can grab the ACT/QMS triggers bundled up with BAD selectors directly from BAD. Full win on that deal

http://shop.battlearmsdevelopment.co...SS-ALG-ACT.htm

http://shop.battlearmsdevelopment.co...SS-ALG-QMS.htm

[Iraqgunz]

I just bought another QMS trigger from Midway today for shits and giggles. Since I combined it with other stuff I needed, I received a 30.00 discount.

Considering how hard it is to find good parts kits, the ALG QMS provides another option. Pay 45.00 for the hammer/trigger and springs and then for another 20.00 you should be able to locate pivot pins, take down, detents, etc...

Since I always have these on hand, I was able to fully put together another 2 lower parts kits.

[LWatson]

the ACT just a QMS thats coated? is it worth the extra $20?

[ALCOAR]

When I asked what advantage/s does the ACT's Hardlubing have over the QMS's non coated parts to Bill Geissele some time ago, this is the answer I received from him....

"The hardlubing helps with the consistency of the trigger pull and how the pull remains the same over many rounds and with inconsistent lubrication. If someone paid attention to lubrication to the QMS I think it would feel almost like the ACT over time."

I haven't tried the QMS so I can't give you my opinion as to whether the $20 is worth it.

[SA80Dan]

Whether it'd be worth it or not depends on your outlook. To put it into context though, the other hard lubed trigger at around the $60 price point is the Spikes one. My experience with the one I had was not stellar....it was a creepy old thing really - because basically all it is is a run of the mill 'luck of the draw' GI trigger which is then coated, without any kind of fettling done to it.

To me, for just a couple of bucks more, you can get an ACT which has been honed by Geissele....a no brainer, IMHO.

To comment on why the ACT/QMS may be being "poo-pooed" a little bit....I should imagine that is because people are expecting a miracle. My personal expectations of the ACT/QMS are that they be consistent trigger to trigger - that the honing/tuning process takes out the usual variables, trigger to trigger, as found in off the shelf GI triggers. I notice a lot of the comments are that they are too heavy for many - could people expand a bit on that? To me, we could use a bit more data, like actual pull weights from the people who think they are too heavy. If heavy means they are breaking at about 6-6.5lb (as per Tridents data).....well, that's really just fine for a GI trigger (pretty sweet, even)....it's the 8-9lb creepy stinkers you sometimes get that are annoying. I think some people may be expecting some sort of 4.5lb JP competitor....personally I think that's very unrealistic as the ACT/QMS make no such claims.

[krisjon]

Whether it'd be worth it or not depends on your outlook. To put it into context though, the other hard lubed trigger at around the $60 price point is the Spikes one. My experience with the one I had was not stellar....it was a creepy old thing really - because basically all it is is a run of the mill GI trigger which is then coated, without any kind of fettling done to it.

To me, for just a couple of bucks more, you can get an ACT which has been honed by Geissele....a no brainer, IMHO.

To comment on why the ACT/QMS may be being "poo-pooed" a little bit....I should imagine that is because people are expecting a miracle. My personal expectations of the ACT/QMS are that they be consistent trigger to trigger - that the honing/tuning process takes out the usual variables, trigger to trigger, as found in off the shelf GI triggers. I notice a lot of the comments are that they are too heavy for many - could people expand a bit on that? To me, we could use a bit more data, like actual pull weights from the people who think they are too heavy. If heavy means they are breaking at about 6-6.5lb (as per Tridents data).....well, that's really just fine for a GI trigger (pretty sweet, even)....it's the 8-9lb creepy stinkers you sometimes get that are annoying. I think some people may be expecting some sort of 4.5lb JP competitor....personally I think that's very unrealistic as the ACT/QMS make no such claims.

Agreed. Geissele has created so much brand equity from it's smooth, crisp, high performance models that people are carrying these traits over into these new triggers.

With GI triggers, you can end up with a great one or you can end up with a gritty, crappy one. It's all about rock-solid consistency at a decent, affordable price point. I think that's the sweet spot Geissele seems to be going for - and people need to realize. Don't expect the moon for $45-60 bucks.