StG. 90 (Sig 550) vs. HK G-36

[rojocorsa]

So SteyrAUG, in your book, the StG. 90 is the clear winner?

[SteyrAUG]

So SteyrAUG, in your book, the StG. 90 is the clear winner?

Yeah, pretty much. And I'm usually the HK guy.

[rojocorsa]

What is the real world accuracy of the SIGs using GP-90?

I ask this because I noticed that they also use these at normal firing ranges in Switzerland and even have match sights and accoutrements for these.

Hell, I wonder how it does against those famous Valmets...which one is the king of piston rifles?

[Jippo]

Hell, I wonder how it does against those famous Valmets...which one is the king of piston rifles?

Valmet might be the king of AK's just because the other ones aren't particularly good. AK's have not aged particularly well and they haven't got that much to offer for the modern warfighter. It is pretty clear if you compare to modern systems with monolithic uppers, short stroke pistons, etc..

Sig is clearly superior of the two. It is as or more accurate, very reliable and runs very clean, it features solid upper receiver to mount optics and it is extremely well made. It's only problems IMHO is the difficulty of having a free float barrel and the heavy weight (esp. for a 5.56 weapon), but Valmet sucks in those areas too.

[SteyrAUG]

What is the real world accuracy of the SIGs using GP-90?

I ask this because I noticed that they also use these at normal firing ranges in Switzerland and even have match sights and accoutrements for these.

Hell, I wonder how it does against those famous Valmets...which one is the king of piston rifles?

http://www.biggerhammer.net/sigamt/5...echinspection/

[rojocorsa]

I came across this little tidbit the other day regarding the G-36.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...200m-when-hot/


IDK what to make of it, but didn't we shit-can the XM-8 for similar problems?

[SteyrAUG]

I came across this little tidbit the other day regarding the G-36.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...200m-when-hot/


IDK what to make of it, but didn't we shit-can the XM-8 for similar problems?

Not surprising. They are pretty much the same rifle with a different candy shell.

[Dirtyboy333]

I have a sick obsession with the 55x without ever touching one I do have a 551 conversion project that should be done in a couple weeks and with the weld on rail, 551 parts kit (like new) and a refinish using the original Swiss paint it will be about as close as you can get without spending 10k. After parting out alot of my 556 and the 551 diopter it ended up costing about a quarter of that. The extra $7k+ wasn't worth it to me personally. It's much more original then the WCA 551's at about half the cost. I'm keeping the 551 barrel and trunion in hopes of a cleaner and cheaper trunion swap way down the road compared to whats currently offered.


Does anybody know what exactly happened to the 551's in the British SAS trials thatMr.Vickers metioned in the "SA 80" thread? I guess t finished last and apparently the trials revealed alot of flaws. I can understand the weight issue but I cant think of much past that. It just seems contradicting to everything i've ever heard about the rifle and it was surprising. Like everything that involves military, I wonder if some politics were involved?

[Jippo]

When compared to Diemaco and G36 it is a clear thing that 551 will loose. All of the weapons work well enough and there isn't a bad weapon in the bunch.

AR15 variant will benefit from the extremely large selection of options and is already a familiar weapon to the SAS. C8 is light and manouverable like any M4.

G36 is a proven concept and I feel it does leave lot to be desired with it's buttstock and manipulations, though. It can be equipped with rails easily enough, though.

SIG is heavy and it is an AK. I think that the manipulation of the weapon may be difficult for someone not used to work with AK's. It's and excellent line infantry gun for the age of iron sights, but installing optics and lasers on it is akward to say the least. So anyone using NVD's is in trouble with this gun. Even though some quad rail systems are available, I think none of them are free floating thus ruining the practical accuracy in unconventional positions. And again, even though it comes with a better stock than the G36 IMHO, the variation or adjustability is not there. One size fits all is a problem for others. I don't think they really even needed to test it, regardless of how good (or indeed bad) the gun really is or is not, there are just too many problems to start with it for the SAS use. SIG made an absolutely superb gun for the 90's that hasn't really been able to keep up with the times. I think comfortable home market does that, just like it did earlier to Valmet.

[rojocorsa]

I have a sick obsession with the 55x without ever touching one I do have a 551 conversion project that should be done in a couple weeks and with the weld on rail, 551 parts kit (like new) and a refinish using the original Swiss paint it will be about as close as you can get without spending 10k. After parting out alot of my 556 and the 551 diopter it ended up costing about a quarter of that. The extra $7k+ wasn't worth it to me personally. It's much more original then the WCA 551's at about half the cost. I'm keeping the 551 barrel and trunion in hopes of a cleaner and cheaper trunion swap way down the road compared to whats currently offered.


Does anybody know what exactly happened to the 551's in the British SAS trials thatMr.Vickers metioned in the "SA 80" thread? I guess t finished last and apparently the trials revealed alot of flaws. I can understand the weight issue but I cant think of much past that. It just seems contradicting to everything i've ever heard about the rifle and it was surprising. Like everything that involves military, I wonder if some politics were involved?

Yeah, I too also wanted to see what was wrong with the Swiss rifles. I've never personally touched an StG 90, but the reason I am so awed by them is because I am absolutely impressed by the Swiss K-31. I figure that the StG 90 has the same level of quality and all that as well.

I could possibly understand if the rifles are not suitable for SAS use; after all, all these Swiss weapons were designed with the intention only to be used in the CH's interior/territory where they probably have a lot of cantonal arsenals and what not. At least this is my understanding about the K-31. I could see the same logic be used for the StG.57 and the StG.90.