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    Daniel Defense or Spikes Tactical CHF Barrel

    I wondering about the CHF 16 LW model from DD and the optimum profile 16 from Spikes, the Spikes barrel would be $50 cheaper. Does anyone have any experience with these barrels, is one going to be better than the other or are they so close that it wouldn't matter. I'm also in the market for a BCG and would end up getting one from the same manufacture as the barrel if that makes any sense. I already have a Mega Arms billet lower with a DD parts kit installed and a Mega forged upper that I will be pairing the barrel and BCG up with. If it matters this is going on a rifle that will be a range gun but I would also like it to be a quality rifle in case it is ever needed to be a serious one. Thanks
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    Considering the Spikes CHF is made by FN I'd grab the Spikes. FN is known to make a really nice CHF barrel.

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    Both are nice barrels. Get whichever you want as I doubt you'll notice any difference between the two.

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    Daniel. Defense.
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    I have the standard LE barrel on my Spikes carbine so I have no first hand experience with their CHF but FN has been doing this for a looooong time so I myself would go with the Spikes/FN CHF barrel.

    As far as the Spike's Tactical bolt, mine is currently doing double duty in my 5.56 carbine and my 6x45 upper. Thousands of rounds without a malfunction in two different calibers so Im quite pleased.
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    I have a few rounds through a ST CHF FN-marked barrel and a bunch more rounds through a couple of DD CHF barrels. I don't think you're likely to find much difference outside of perhaps laboratory testing. That said I would probably go Daniel Defense just because I've found their customer service wonderful and I like that they make the barrels in-house. FN can certainly make outstanding barrels (CHF or otherwise) but the ST barrel is ultimately a subcontracted part with the interruption of quality control that might entail.

    The one tangible difference I have found is that on two ST barrels, one CHF FN-marked and one generic LE, there is no recessed crown, just a flat cut across the end of the barrel. On the DD barrels there is a recessed crown. This is a small issue but it indicates attention to detail and might, under unlikely circumstances, help the DD maintain accuracy better.

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    i have a spikes rifle and a daniel defense and my dd rifles are by a long shot more accurate

    daniel defense all the way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratfink View Post
    i have a spikes rifle and a daniel defense and my dd rifles are by a long shot more accurate

    daniel defense all the way
    Is it a CHF supplied by FN? Didn't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckjay View Post
    Is it a CHF supplied by FN? Didn't think so.
    Is it CHF? Yes.

    Is it 4150? Yes.

    Is it chrome lined, 1/7 twist? Yes.

    Is it HPT'd, then MPI'd? Yes.


    What is with the FN obession lately? Everyone seems to be so enamored with the fact that PSA, Spikes, "BCM", ect. barrels are from FN. As if they are the ONLY decent producer of barrels. DD makes fine barrels as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratfink View Post
    i have a spikes rifle and a daniel defense and my dd rifles are by a long shot more accurate

    daniel defense all the way
    My Spikes is certainly accurate enough for a standard non free float carbine but I reload and certainly appreciate squeezing out extra accuracy wherever possible.

    I have looked at the Noveske recon barrel but it's stainless so costs quite a bit more at $500+.

    The DD and Spikes CHF barrels are more affordable. Can you tell me what kind of accuracy difference you are seeing with the Daniel Defense barrel over the Spikes?
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    I guess to confuse myself even more I have found a non CHF Daniel Defense barrel in government profile for about $60 cheaper. The extra money is not an issue if it is worth it but I also don't believe in spending money if its not needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgiaBoy View Post
    What is with the FN obession lately? Everyone seems to be so enamored with the fact that PSA, Spikes, "BCM", ect. barrels are from FN. As if they are the ONLY decent producer of barrels. DD makes fine barrels as well.
    I'm pretty sure BCM uses DD barrels. People over on barfcom are just assuming BCM is using FN barrels, because.. well.. just because? I don't really care either way because both make an excellent product that's sure to please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmbeal View Post
    I guess to confuse myself even more I have found a non CHF Daniel Defense barrel in government profile for about $60 cheaper. The extra money is not an issue if it is worth it but I also don't believe in spending money if its not needed.
    Those are also excellent barrels. You may give up some life vs. CHF but for a "range gun" it isn't likely to matter.

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    I have the spikes midlength chf that I got for $199 introductory price for the stripped barrel(I was going to send to adco to have FSB pinned on but slapped AA piston kit on as I wanted a total "self-build"). They first shipped a standard barrel but the funny thing was it was in wrap that had fn cage code on it, they(spikes)say fn dnt make their standard barrels. Anyway I finally received it finished the build and shot it side by side with my DD m4 carbine chf barrel and I can't tell the difference shooting off hand with two different gas systems and gas port distances.
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    Double post sorry.
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    Thanks to everyone who helped out here. I went ahead and placed my order today and am just giddy like a schoolgirl right now. In case anyone was wondering, this what i went with.

    1.Daniel Defense CHF lightweight 16" barrel.

    2.Daniel Defense BCG.

    3.Daniel Defense low profile gas block clamp on style.

    4.VLTOR BCM Mod 4 charge handle.

    5.Troy VTAC 13" Alpha battle rail.

    6. Mid-length gas tube, barrel nut, A-2 flash hider and crush washer.

    This is all going on a Mega arms forged upper receiver I have and will be mated with a Mega Billet lower with a Daniel Defense lower parts kit and buffer tube with H-buffer already installed. If anyone notices anything that I may have missed please let me know so I can get it ordered. Thanks again for the help from the guys here and the guys at Rainier Arms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djmorris View Post
    I'm pretty sure BCM uses DD barrels. People over on barfcom are just assuming BCM is using FN barrels, because.. well.. just because? I don't really care either way because both make an excellent product that's sure to please.
    Just curious, can you post a link that gives proof of who makes the barrels for BCM?

    Not trying to bust your balls, but it's really best if people don't post what they *think* to be fact, but the actual fact itself. Nothing wrong with saying you don't know, but I always thought that this site was driven towards hard data, not speculation.

    Again, not an attack at you, just an observation.
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    Spike's has used CHF barrels from both DD and FN. Originally, all of Spike's CHF barrels were from DD. Only more recently have they transitioned to the custom FN barrels.

    If you get an older Spike's CHF URG, most likely it'll have a DD barrel. If you get one of the newer "ST Elite" URGs, you'll get an FN barrel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteadyUp View Post
    Just curious, can you post a link that gives proof of who makes the barrels for BCM?

    Not trying to bust your balls, but it's really best if people don't post what they *think* to be fact, but the actual fact itself. Nothing wrong with saying you don't know, but I always thought that this site was driven towards hard data, not speculation.

    Again, not an attack at you, just an observation.
    I was not trying to state it as a fact. I apologize if that's how my post came across because I'm not trying to spread unverified or incorrect information. I do not claim to be an expert. I'm saying that it is my belief that BCM is using Daniel Defense barrels or have in the past. I draw this conclusion not from a link or article but rather from my experiences and credible sources on this forum. I could have sworn that BCM provided the information on them using DD barrels at some point. I'd like to know for sure either way.

    OP, you made some fine choices for hardware. What about sights, though? I'm currently running LMT's rear adjustable sights and I highly recommend them. You can get them from botachtactical.com for $50, or $70 for front/rear (!!!).. The rear alone usually go for $120. Of course, since your rifle is primarily DD you may want to just go with their irons for completions sake.
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    While FN does produce barrels for several different companies, the devil is in the details that each individual company specifies…

    As far as the birthplace of BCM CHF barrels goes, the information is out there, or at least was at one point.

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