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    Building AR15 pistols with carbine reciever extensions

    As far as I'm concerned, this is a no no... am I thinking clearly?

    See this excerpt from a fudd forum:

    "I'll repeat that it is not a crime to possess a pistol with a carbine buffer tube and a stock which may readily slide on said buffer tube. In fact, since reg 2011-4 it makes sense to build a pistol with a carbine buffer tube. That way it would readily accept a stock once a 16 inch barrel is installed on the receiver."

    Thanks for your time.

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    I'm curious as well after the new ruling. I wouldn't do it, but hopefully someone writes a letter to ATF for clarification and shares the results.

    I wouldn't be surprised if manufacturers start coming out with AR pistols sold with rifle conversion kits.

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    Writing the BATFE for clarification will do nothing except create more issues. But, since we are talking about ridiculous AR pistols anyways maybe that's a good idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by fourXfour View Post
    I'm curious as well after the new ruling. I wouldn't do it, but hopefully someone writes a letter to ATF for clarification and shares the results.

    I wouldn't be surprised if manufacturers start coming out with AR pistols sold with rifle conversion kits.



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    I agree IG - I think AR pistols are the most ridiculous and unusable abomination of otherwise good parts... (not to be confused with pistol caliber ARs - which rock)
    Nonetheless, I can't image that building them with carbine REs and keeping a stock (for when you want to pop on a 16" or greater barreled upper) with it is a good idea in my book.
    Either build a useful 16" length AR or go the SBR route.
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    Ok, I read it. Now, can translate that into Knuckledragger? I don't really see anything groundbreaking there.

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    You can make an AR pistol into a rifle, then convert it back to a pistol again if you want. No more of the "once a rifle, always a rifle" stuff.

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    I was referring to the use of a standard carbine receiver extension. How does this ruling have any impact on?

    Quote Originally Posted by WSU 5.9er View Post
    You can make an AR pistol into a rifle, then convert it back to a pistol again if you want. No more of the "once a rifle, always a rifle" stuff.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Ok, I read it. Now, can translate that into Knuckledragger? I don't really see anything groundbreaking there.
    Just that this passage makes it look like keeping a shoulder stock within proximity of your ar pistol with carbine tube makes you a possible felon.

    Held, a firearm, as defined by the National Firearms Act (NFA), 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3), is made when unassembled parts are placed in close proximity in such a way that they:
    (a) Serve no useful purpose other than to make a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length (e.g., a receiver, an attachable shoulder stock, and barrel of less than 16 inches in length); or
    (b) Convert a complete weapon into such an NFA firearm, including –
    (1) A pistol and attachable shoulder stock; and
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    (2) A rifle with a barrel of 16 inches or more in length, and an attachable barrel of less than 16 inches in length

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    Hi. I tend to agree with the sentiment that "AR Pistols are stupid" but I really think you should be aware of some exceptions:

    * Some states do not allow you to possess SBRs
    * Some states permit you to carry loaded Handguns in your vehicle
    * Some states do not allow you to carry loaded Rifles (no Magazine in gun) in your vehicle

    A combination of the above factors could make an AR pistol with a 10" barrel and quality ammunition a viable option. I have seen individuals run AR pistols in classes and outshoot others using real rifles. Sure, they'd probably do even better with a real rifle, but it isn't an unwieldy or unusable option. Some AR pistols are stupid, but some can be setup as a useful alternative to a SBR.

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