Colt or Sig

Abull · #1 03-14-12, 15:15

I work for a small midwest town of about 14,000 people. I attended a budget meeting Monday night and the Captain of our pd presented his departments captital requests for the fiscal year. I was pleased to hear him ask for six patrol carbines as I had been pushing them to try and buy them. The Captain is a great guy, the RO for the pd and also their armorer. When I asked if he was looking at Colt 6920's or such, he showed me a picture and ad for Sigs. I know nothing about Sigs so I thought I would see what the informed people here thought. I think the price was just over $1,300 each and I don't have any details yet on accessories he might be looking at. So what do you guys think, Sig, Colt or something else? Thanks for any input.

Alan

Evil Colt 6920 · #2 03-14-12, 15:19

Some good info can be found here.

Failure2Stop · #3 03-14-12, 15:23

What Sig model?
Well, really, it doesn't matter.
I would recommend Colt 6920s or 6921s any day over pretty much anything else in the price range for duty use.

B Cart · #4 03-14-12, 15:28

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Originally Posted by Failure2Stop

Well, really, it doesn't matter.
I would recommend Colt 6920s or 6921s any day over pretty much anything else in the price range for duty use.

This^^ He could get the Colt 6920s for around $1,000 each (maybe cheaper with LEO discount), and still have $300+ to put into accessories. The colt is by far the better gun IMO.

glocktogo · #5 03-14-12, 15:29

I doubt you'll find any fans for the Sig on here. They've mainly become a marketing firm with little to show in the product area. The gun rags are pretty much shills these days for any marketing company that will shell out advertising dollars, so anything in their publications is suspect.

The Colt 6920 is the cheaper and MUCH better way to go.

Tzook · #6 03-14-12, 15:47

Colt colt colt, no contest. Sigs aren't TOTAL crap, but they certainly aren't as high quality as colts, and they cost more. Forget em.

Greyman09 · #7 03-14-12, 15:48

Easy choice of the day. Colt

lethal dose · #8 03-14-12, 16:13

Colt. Hands down. If the Sig he was looking at was in an ad, it was probably garbage. If you think a 3rd party would have positive influence, send him to this site or PM me and I'll write up a formal letter clearly weighing the pros and cons of each.

wingspar · #9 03-14-12, 21:09

I just paid $995 for a brand new Colt 6920. Since you are LE, it would not surprise me if you could get them cheaper. That’s quite a savings over the $1,300 Sig, which has not has very good reviews, but I’m sure Sig will work out the bugs if they haven’t already. The 6920 would leave the department an extra $300 or more savings per gun, and the 6920 has an outstanding reputation. Look at it this way, if your dept buys ten 6920's, you would save enough for an eleventh gun, or a lot of accessories for the ones you purchased.

another-bill · #10 03-14-12, 21:35

Yes, yes , yes, Colt.

BIll

Anvil308 · #11 03-14-12, 21:39

Go with Colt!!

.45fmjoe · #12 03-14-12, 21:50

I'm thankful my agency only buys Colt M4A1 carbines, unfortunately there are none at my duty station.

Tell him to burn the Sig advertisement and buy quality; buy the Colts.

Casull · #13 03-14-12, 22:03

Sigaretts Vs. Colts

I say go Colt.

It's just kinda a no-brainer on this one.

Rowland_P · #14 03-14-12, 22:52

I've lurked at this forum for many months, but have been unable to post due to a chronic failure to receive a confirmation e-mail after registering. Finally used an old yahoo account and got that e-mail. So, this is my first post at this forum.

I know many of you already have your mind made up on the Sig versus Colt issue. So I'll not attempt to sway you one way or the other. However, I will post some information based on my owner ship and use of both the Sig M400 and the Colt LE6920MP-R.

You are all very familiar with the Colt. So, I'll concentrate on the Sig.

Sig top, Colt bottom

Sig has the F marked front sight

Sig has a hammer forged CMV barrel that meets the mil-spec material requirement (I'll expand on this in a moment).

M4 marked flat top upper

Forged upper/lower with ambidexterous mag release.

Mil-spec diameter 6-position receiver extension.

M4 feed ramps, chrome chamber and bore, extractor support in receiver extension.

Device in lower that pushes on upper

Carbine buffer, verus H in Colt

With respect to the BCG
Sig top, Colt bottom (AR enhanced versus m16)

Sig left, Colt right (chromed same places)

Sig left, Colt right (both properly staked)

Colt left, Sig right

Of course, my curiosity peaked by "The Chart" on this website, I contacted Sig to inquire as to how "mil-spec" this rifle was. I was informed that the barrel is hammer forged CMV, pressure tested, but could not get an answer on MP testing. I was advised the BC and bolt are indentical steel as the Colt, sourced from a USGI maker that pressure tests and MP tests their bolts. Neither the barrel nor the bolt are MP marked. The Colt obviously has the edge, here.

I know how most of you feel about fit and finish. As long as it works, it can be marked, scarred and booger green directly from the factory. But I happen to like a rifle that is well fitted with a good finish. If it's going to get screwed up, I want to do it. In this case, the Sig was far and away superior to the Colt. I know it doesn't matter to most of you. I does to me. The Colt appeared to be put together by some ham-handed assemblyman using a meat mallet. It had nicks and scars right out of the box. the Sig was cosmetially perfect. Advantage: Sig.

Function: virtually identical. I've used the Sig for awhile now. It functions perfectly. In fact, I've had some short strokes on the Colt, none on the Sig.

That's my objective observation based on ownership and use of both rifles. I am aware of the Sig-hatred among some of you. Just wanted to give you some rational information on the gun. My Sig was $900.

glocktogo · #15 03-14-12, 23:19

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Originally Posted by Rowland_P

I've lurked at this forum for many months, but have been unable to post due to a chronic failure to receive a confirmation e-mail after registering. Finally used an old yahoo account and got that e-mail. So, this is my first post at this forum...

For several reasons you yourself admit, there's no contest. The Colt has the right parts and the right TDP. The Sig looks pretty. Which one should an LE agency care about the most?

Jake Bauer · #16 03-14-12, 23:57

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Originally Posted by Rowland_P

I've lurked at this forum for many months, but have been unable to post due to a chronic failure to receive a confirmation e-mail after registering. Finally used an old yahoo account and got that e-mail. So, this is my first post at this forum.

I know many of you already have your mind made up on the Sig versus Colt issue. So I'll not attempt to sway you one way or the other. However, I will post some information based on my owner ship and use of both the Sig M400 and the Colt LE6920MP-R.

You are all very familiar with the Colt. So, I'll concentrate on the Sig.

Hey man thanks for your reply/pics. If I had my choice between the 2, I'd probably buy the Colt, but I dont think that the Sigs are junk like most folks around here. You could do far far worse.

C4IGrant · #17 03-16-12, 18:02

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Originally Posted by Rowland_P

I know how most of you feel about fit and finish. As long as it works, it can be marked, scarred and booger green directly from the factory. But I happen to like a rifle that is well fitted with a good finish. If it's going to get screwed up, I want to do it. In this case, the Sig was far and away superior to the Colt. I know it doesn't matter to most of you. I does to me. The Colt appeared to be put together by some ham-handed assemblyman using a meat mallet. It had nicks and scars right out of the box. the Sig was cosmetially perfect. Advantage: Sig.

I love this. Do you know WHY the Colt has dings in it???? See pic below.

Colt has a standard they have to follow, they take random guns, break them down and switch the parts to make sure everything is in spec and can used in another gun. This is one of the Reqs under Mil-Spec.

Does SIG do this??? No, probably not. Why? Because they don't have to build their guns to a standard. When you don't have to build your guns to a set standards, you can deviate. This deviation typically means that they always find ways to save money (reducing the quality).

C4

pruitt0212 · #18 03-15-12, 22:17

I am generally a pretty big fan of Sigs, but I would definitely recommend the Colt over it. As for Sig rifles, the 556 is pretty much all I like, not a fan of their "AR's". I would urge him to also look at BCM or Daniel Defense, personally I would take either of those over a Colt.

Abull · #19 03-15-12, 22:48

Sorry guys, been to busy to get back here. Guess I better get busy working the Colt angle! I just couldn't understand the Sig, it was a surprise. Of course this is the same guy that bought DPMS carbine stocks for the M16's. I will probably be in the Chiefs office tomorrow seeing what I can do. Just for the record, I'm not leo, just another department head for the same city. Thanks for all the responses.

Alan

TedG · #20 03-16-12, 08:12