What to do with my p30??

[Cazwell]

Originally Posted by C4IGrant

Possibly. Walther definitely has better triggers.



C4

Accuracy is on par, correct? Claims of PPS and PPQ accuracy seem in line with HK.

Reliability and durability? Yet to be determined on the PPQ I guess, but the P99 variants seem to have plenty of incredibly high round count examples.

What other variables are we missing?

[C4IGrant]

Originally Posted by Cazwell

Accuracy is on par, correct? Claims of PPS and PPQ accuracy seem in line with HK.

Reliability and durability? Yet to be determined on the PPQ I guess, but the P99 variants seem to have plenty of incredibly high round count examples.

What other variables are we missing?

What variables are

I think accuracy is for sure close.


C4

[bzdog]

If the reports are to be believed, the PPQ is as accurate as the P30, but is much easier to shoot due to the trigger, meaning it will be more accurate for most who won't/can't put in the time to master the P30 trigger.

-john

[munch520]

Originally Posted by E-man930

Can't say much, but at the last steel match I participated in I got to meet and talk to the HK shooting team - and let's just say after breaking the ice and sharing ideas I was informed HK Germany is evaluating a drop in solution that brings the reset travel down to minuscule levels - think 1911 like. I couldn't believe what I was hearing! Other items are in the works - let's hope HK Germany listens and moves forward with this amazing solution.

I just read this and it makes me warm & tingly.

I can't imagine them not bringing it out, I just hope they don't price it above $200. This would be a game-changer for the P30, and may pull a substantial amount of business away from Gray Guns, Springfield, and Bowie.

[balance]

Since the H&K shooting team shoots the LEM model, would this new trigger modification be for the LEM versions only?

Would they have one available for the DA/SA models, and models with the manual safety as well?

[munch520]

Originally Posted by balance

Since the H&K shooting team shoots the LEM model, would this new trigger modification would be for the LEM versions only?

Would they have one available for the DA/SA models, and models with the manual safety as well?

If they did, I predict tiny mushroom clouds will pop up across the country as HK owners simultaneously detonate in anger.

I find it hard to believe they'd come out with one solution and not a comprehensive one. Who knows...

[Scar face]

Long ago before the Combat Competition model was made, Tommy Thacker, whom at the time was shooting for HK team but now with FN, modified his USP 9 with LEM+match trigger.

The result was fantastic! You get first shot of a super light LEM( lighter than V1 because absent of firing pin safety), then a light glass break let off plus over travel stop, and short reset of a match trigger!!! It was his comp gun only, mind you, so he doesn't care if it has FPB or not. His gun wouldn't even shoot federal ammo reliably because of the MOD to firing pin spring. I can't even stretch it out enough how light the trigger was. And the short reset, my god.., you just need to move maybe 1mm( if that) forward and that was it!!!

If HK picked up the idea and made it into the Combat Competition model, I have no doubt that when the unit sell of P30 is high enough for HK to see profit in selling this MOD, they will start tooling for it too. How many years USP has been on the market before all these MODs is available to us?

That's right, a long...long...time.

[Aiannare]

Originally Posted by balance

I agree with a lot of what you stated Striker.

But the way I took it, the OP started the thread because the OP didn't know if he should sell it or not. I was interested in this thread, and replied to it, because I was in the same position a little while back. I liked everything about my P30S, except the trigger.



I felt the same way, and the tone of my first post in this thread would have been different had the tone of the posts immediately before mine been different.

After spending time and money (around 2k rounds in this case), and finding that the pistol didn't work for him, I have a hard time seeing how this pistol is "the best" (like mentioned in previous posts), for him. I think the P30 is an excellent pistol. I think there are a lot of excellent pistols out there. I think certain shooters will shoot certain pistols better than others. The vast majority of people who practice, at anything, will get better at what they are practicing. Why not start with a quality pistol that performs better in your hands to begin with, and get better from that point on?

I've actually decided to give it some more time. I shipped it off to Bill Springfield and will have it back later next week. He is cleaning up the pull and action as well as shortening the reset (advertised on triggerworks.com)

I decided to do this and put down another 500 to 1000 rounds and then see where I'm at. This will ony cost me $130 total for the work so I won't be pissed if I end up selling.

Thank you everyone for your input; you can expect a range review in a couple weeks!

[Omega Man]

Originally Posted by Cazwell

Accuracy is on par, correct? Claims of PPS and PPQ accuracy seem in line with HK.

Reliability and durability? Yet to be determined on the PPQ I guess, but the P99 variants seem to have plenty of incredibly high round count examples.

What other variables are we missing?

I found the PPQ to be slightly more accurate, than the P30.

[Cazwell]

Originally Posted by Omega Man

I found the PPQ to be slightly more accurate, than the P30.

How does the recoil/muzzle flip seem to you?

I know those are subjective items, but the PPQ seems to cause more subjectivity here than any other pistol. Anywhere from "seems the same as my Glock/M&P" etc to "I sold it because I couldn't stand the recoil/muzzle flip"

I find that very interesting.

[ralph]

Originally Posted by Cazwell

How does the recoil/muzzle flip seem to you?

I know those are subjective items, but the PPQ seems to cause more subjectivity here than any other pistol. Anywhere from "seems the same as my Glock/M&P" etc to "I sold it because I couldn't stand the recoil/muzzle flip"

I find that very interesting.

I think alot of that comes from people shooting a mag or two out of a friends' pistol, and forming an opinon based on that first impression.I've got well over 2000rnds through my PPQ, I really don't notice recoil/muzzle flip anymore..Frankly, I don't think it was that bad to begin with. One thing I did,was to stipple the grip, stock, I think the PPQ is a little slippery, stippling took care of that. I also made a slight change in my grip on the pistol, (Grant showed me this) and this also made a difference in controlling recoil/muzzel flip. Just for giggles, I tried it with my P-2000 (light LEM), and noticed an improvement in accuracy..especially with the first shot (long trigger pull)

[Cazwell]

Originally Posted by ralph

I think alot of that comes from people shooting a mag or two out of a friends' pistol, and forming an opinon based on that first impression.I've got well over 2000rnds through my PPQ, I really don't notice recoil/muzzle flip anymore..Frankly, I don't think it was that bad to begin with. One thing I did,was to stipple the grip, stock, I think the PPQ is a little slippery, stippling took care of that. I also made a slight change in my grip on the pistol, (Grant showed me this) and this also made a difference in controlling recoil/muzzel flip. Just for giggles, I tried it with my P-2000 (light LEM), and noticed an improvement in accuracy..especially with the first shot (long trigger pull)

I'd be interested to know what change you made to your grip, either here or via PM.... its seems you may have said in a different post or different thread that you switched to a crush grip (was that you?) but I'm not sure I know what that refers to. Of course, I don't really have a name for the grip I use, I just call it "the grip I was taught". Ha. Thumbs forward and pretty high. I just need to go shoot one.

[ralph]

Originally Posted by Cazwell

I'd be interested to know what change you made to your grip, either here or via PM.... its seems you may have said in a different post or different thread that you switched to a crush grip (was that you?) but I'm not sure I know what that refers to. Of course, I don't really have a name for the grip I use, I just call it "the grip I was taught". Ha. Thumbs forward and pretty high. I just need to go shoot one.

It's pretty simple really, I put the heels of my palms together,(when gripping the pistol, and slightly retract my left hand until my left thumb is on the takedown catch, (not the slide stop)on the frame.I don't use a white-knuckle grip, but I do grip it firmly..Anyway this worked for ME.......of course,ymmv.. P.S. no, I'don't think that was me that mentioned the "crush" grip..

[Omega Man]

Originally Posted by Cazwell

How does the recoil/muzzle flip seem to you?

I know those are subjective items, but the PPQ seems to cause more subjectivity here than any other pistol. Anywhere from "seems the same as my Glock/M&P" etc to "I sold it because I couldn't stand the recoil/muzzle flip"

I find that very interesting.

The PPQ had noticeably more felt recoil when shot back to back with my Glock 19. I found i had to grip the PPQ more firmly, to have the same control as the G19, when firing. The PPQ was more accurate than the Glock. The PPQ is controllable, but not as easy to shoot at speed as a Glock for me.

[Aiannare]

I received the P30 back this past Saturday from Bill Springfield. So far I like how everything feels however the true test will be tonight at the range. I should have a full range report ready over the next couple of days.

[Talon167]

Originally Posted by Aiannare

If that's the case I have no problem keeping the p30! The question is when!

Knowing HK, probably sometime in 2017.

[montrala]

Originally Posted by balance

Since the H&K shooting team shoots the LEM model, would this new trigger modification be for the LEM versions only?

Would they have one available for the DA/SA models, and models with the manual safety as well?

Trigger reset in HK is factor of overtravel (easy to cure) and firing pin safety actuation (harder to cure). In one line of pistols reset is same (and depends on same parts) for SA/DA and LEM versions. There are some differenced in due to slightly different trigger goup designs. Generally in stock form shortest reset is in USP/USPc/HK45/45C series (with match trigger version shortest due to overtravel screw), then P2000/P2000SK/P30/P30L series and P30S/P30LS with slightly longer reset than "non-S" P30/P30L.

I believe that "drop in reset tuning kit" will be new firing pin safety, firing pin safety actuator lever and overtavel adjustment (like in USP match trigger).

BTW I installed LEM+Match trigger conversion in my USP Expert that I used for IPSC some 8 years ago. It was working very good. Then with removed firing pin safety I managed to go down with reset to some 0.080-0.090" (measured in middle of the trigger). It was in some department as my custom STI.

[E-man930]

montrala you know your H&Ks...

[montrala]

Originally Posted by E-man930

montrala you know your H&Ks...

Thanks! I had choice to either let some gunsmith learn on my HK's, AR-15s and 1911s/2011s... or learn myself