I see you edited your post to add a bunch...
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Originally Posted by taliv
if you buy a factory rem700 sps tac in 308win, you get a 12 twist barrel, 20"
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You can get an AAC edition for about the same money, which has a 10 twist and is threaded.
You seem to be wanting to hand out a lot of advice for a guy that just got his first bolt action rifle. I also see that it happens to be a savage. This is precisely what I've been talking about. I've no doubt you are otherwise an intelligent guy. (probably, I don't know you) But why would you be trying to "educate" people on something you yourself are just getting started in and have next to no experience with? I saw your post of your first range report with your new savage. You're convinced it's better than a remington already, even though you don't own a remington? You're convinced it will see you through the next 10,000rnds?
Unlike you I've been doing this for a long time. I've seen rifles come and go. ... and unlike you, I've invested in various platforms and put a few thousand rounds down range before forming an opinion. I bought a couple savage 10fp's for some backup rifles. I put around 1500rnds through one personally, and let others shoot them when they were without rifles. Neither of them held up to the high firing schedule very well. One refused to go more than 100rnds without having to be cleaned, else it would start firing about 3moa. The other maintained accuracy to 3-400rnds... but both actions felt like they were going to fall apart by the 3,000rnd mark.
I wanted to know the rifle's pedigree, so I bought into them and put them through some work. That is what is called "first hand experience." I didn't read about it, I didn't hear about it, I bought it and did it. Now if someone has a few thousand rounds of experience behind their savage, I will listen to them and engage in intelligent conversation with them. If they can dispute or show me how savage has changed since a couple years ago when I ran them heavily... I am all ears. What I will not do is listen to yet another brand new long range shooter that just got his first bolt gun (savage) tell me all the ways that savage rifles are just as good (if not better) than remington.
At the end of the day, personal experience is all that counts. When you get some of it, I'll likely be able to listen to your viewpoints and give them weight. Right now, you have no experience, and it's impossible for me to give what you say any weight, because I know its simply something that you've been told or read about somewhere. That's the problem with forums. Unless I talk about my personal experience, and point out your lack of personal experience... people will weigh what each of us are saying equally, when they shouldn't.
I would never want someone to listen to me over someone with more first hand experience than I have. If I haven't proven it to myself, then I don't know. In the case of savage rifles... I know. I know because I proved it for myself.
If you get 10,000rnds through that savage... look me up. I'd like to shoot it. You can shoot one of my remingtons with over 20,000rnds through it. That rifle is yours. There are many like it, but that one is yours. I get it. Sadly, its not until you have thousands of rounds through it that you will realize what you are looking for.
This is what I shoot. So don't think I'm a remington fanboy.
I'm not. I just know what holds up and what doesn't. This DTA... I don't know much about it yet. I've only got about 1500rnds of 308 and about 800rnds of 338LM through it. When I actually get some rounds through it... I'll be able to speak of its quality and it's ruggedness.
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