Safety rotates full 180 degrees - Page 2

Robb Jensen · #21 05-07-12, 06:23

Put the factory safety back in and function check.

SomeOtherGuy · #22 05-07-12, 10:27

I have a DS Arms semiauto ambi safety that will rotate past fire and back to what would be "full", but in that position it is in fact on safe and will not fire nor hammer-follow. (It is machined internally as a semiauto safety, not the more complicated select-fire design.)

Why does it do this? It seems they took a cost-cutting measure and machined a groove around the entire safety body where the short detent pin track would normally go, then drilled small holes for the detent stop at the two proper positions. So it won't lock in the rear position, it only stays there by friction.

The design is tolerably functional but not good. I got it from AIM Surplus a couple months ago. I have it in a lower that is basically a range toy.

DS Arms is a completely separate and unrelated company to LMT (as far as I know), but both are in Illinois and there could be some selling of parts back and forth, or sourcing from the same third party. But I consider the design poor for DSA and I would be really surprised if LMT would adopt something like it.

GTifosi · #23 05-07-12, 10:49

Semi automatic selector lever (pic property of G&R Tactical)

Fully automatic selector lever (pic property of Bravo Company)

Tweak · #24 05-07-12, 14:58

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Originally Posted by az doug

a statement of facts in Olofson case.

I'm familiar.

Ken · #25 05-07-12, 17:29

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Originally Posted by DeltaSierra

No, ATF has clearly stated that the use of ANY f/a components in the lower receiver is illegal....

Check your information before giving advice that could land someone in jail for ten years....

Wrong.

Oh, and hi guys.

Ouroborous · #26 05-07-12, 19:22

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Originally Posted by Ken

Wrong.

Oh, and hi guys.

Well alrighty then. Welcome to the forum btw.

Kfgk14 · #27 05-08-12, 17:19

Alright, thanks for the photo of the auto safety. It definitely isn't F/A. I'll check the spring.

3 AE · #28 05-17-12, 22:51

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Originally Posted by Kfgk14

Alright, thanks for the photo of the auto safety. It definitely isn't F/A. I'll check the spring.

Have you had a chance to troubleshoot this any further?

Kfgk14 · #29 05-17-12, 23:21

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Originally Posted by 3 AE

Have you had a chance to troubleshoot this any further?

the channel that the detent rides in is machined 360 degrees around the safety, not only in the 90 degrees of travel it is necessary for. I may simply fill the excess areas with JB weld to prevent over-travel, or would this be ill-advised?

SomeOtherGuy · #30 05-17-12, 23:38

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Originally Posted by Kfgk14

the channel that the detent rides in is machined 360 degrees around the safety, not only in the 90 degrees of travel it is necessary for. I may simply fill the excess areas with JB weld to prevent over-travel, or would this be ill-advised?

Sounds identical to my DS Arms ambi safety. If yours was sold by or "as" LMT, I would contact LMT and see if they really intended to put that design out.

I think you could fill the excess channel with JB Weld if you are so inclined.

Tedfs · #31 05-19-12, 03:01

I have a semi auto BAD ambi safety that does the same thing in a Rock River lower.

The third position acts as another safety but is a bit more difficult to engage with "normal" use.

I was concerned until function testing during two rifle classes that the third position ( and any rotation to or from that position )
does indeed act as another "Safe" position.

If you have a semi selector, which you've stated you do, and rotation to and from a third position acts as another "Safe",
move on and don't worry about it but just remember the rifle does it.

I'm more concerned with bumping the semi selector to "Safety Position Two" and not knowing it than I am having someone freaking
out that the selector moves to three spots.

They can stand there all day and look like an idiot trying to fire a rifle on safe all they want, not my concern.

Figuring out why the selector is not functioning properly and fixing it is the ideal solution but I'm not wasting
any sweat on a condition that doesn't exist.

birdkiller · #32 05-20-12, 17:03

Mine in Red.

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Originally Posted by Tedfs

The third position acts as another safety but is a bit more difficult to engage with "normal" use.
Yup, mine too.

I was concerned until function testing during two rifle classes that the third position ( and any rotation to or from that position )
does indeed act as another "Safe" position.

Brother, your concern should not stop there.

If you have a semi selector, which you've stated you do, and rotation to and from a third position acts as another "Safe",
move on and don't worry about it but just remember the rifle does it.

Nope, main point I disagree with. In a high stress situation, where you need your rifle, over rotating your safety, into the 2nd safe position could be detrimental. Do worry about it, do not move on until you get this thing fixed, it could cost you your life if you don't!

I'm more concerned with bumping the semi selector to "Safety Position Two" and not knowing it than I am having someone freaking
out that the selector moves to three spots.

Exactly the concern, if you while under stress go cave man on your rifle bump that selector just a little too far, your screwed.

They can stand there all day and look like an idiot trying to fire a rifle on safe all they want, not my concern. Contact BAD, there was a safety core they made that was too shallow (to make the safety stiffer) that allowed the safety to rotate in some rifles/safety detent and spring/grip combinations. Contact them, they will make it right

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Originally Posted by SomeOtherGuy

The design is tolerably functional but not good.

You shouldn't have to tolerate something that can easily be fixed. With the amount of time you have spent asking for help here, you could have just emailed the company and been sent a replacement by now.

So, email the companies with the issues, they will fix it, put in the new safeties, and whala, you are fine. Problem solved. They will probably send you a prepaid label to send out your safety in too.

No way in heck I would let a safety be in my gun that could be put on safe with the same motion as putting it on fire.

Duffy · #33 05-20-12, 17:46

Tedfs, please email me roger@battlearmsdevelopment and I will send you a replacement.

The semi auto selector could over rotate past SEMI is the detent hole isn't deep enough. No need to send the defective one back, we had a few that did that and we hoped to have caught them all

3 AE · #34 05-30-12, 16:27

What was the final result of this issue? Did you use JB Weld? Did you leave it as is? Have you notified LMT to see what they would suggest?

Tedfs · #35 06-03-12, 04:29

Not sure if the OP's is solved but it would appear an email will take care of mine.

It really hasn't been an issue. You really need to force it into the third position and by that I mean it won't simply slip
into that position unless you make it do so.

I'm fully aware of this every day I pick the rifle up and it's in the back of my mind every time it's in use. Hopefully
the new core will fix the "issue" but I'm still not going to lose sleep over the one that's in now because it's known.

Duffy · #36 06-03-12, 09:45

Tedfs, you should have us swap it out for you, please email me your shipping info, you'll like the new center much better

Tedfs · #37 06-03-12, 14:52

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Originally Posted by Duffy

Tedfs, you should have us swap it out for you, please email me your shipping info, you'll like the new center much better

info was emailed to you shortly before the last post here @ 04:23

Duffy · #38 06-03-12, 18:23

Got it, please ignore the IM, I did receive the email, thanks!

Kfgk14 · #39 06-03-12, 22:24

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Originally Posted by 3 AE

What was the final result of this issue? Did you use JB Weld? Did you leave it as is? Have you notified LMT to see what they would suggest?

Come to find out, I've been had. It wasn't in fact a LMT selector. It was a DSA

Not a huge deal, but suffice it to say the guy behind the counter at that particular LGS lacks employment. Changed the labels on the bag to make a sale. I don't care that it's a DSA, but the fact he lied to me-good Christ am I livid!

Needless to say, the owner (a family friend and good dude) laid into this guy as soon as I told him what happened. On principle, he refunded me (my whole order, including 1k of ammo and the lower I bought that day) out of the guy's pay check and and fired him on the spot, so I think everything's settled. I think the fact my family and myself have been buying there for years in combination with the business our referrals have drawn played into this in a big way.

Back to my original issue:
I filled the notch with JB weld and it's worked fine so far. Note-when applying JB weld, wipe the area clean with a paper towel, then clean off any oily residue with rubbing alcohol. I skipped this step the first time and had to re-do the job. Seems fine now, only time will tell.

Duffy · #40 06-04-12, 10:37

I don't know, though that area doesn't handle a lot of stress, JB Weld didn't work all that well for me. If it gets loose, it's another part that may screw with your FCG.

I have tons of single lever, factory selectors, I can send one to you. Alternatively, if you want, I can send you one of ours