Geissele Rail Anyone else find this interesting?

[13MPG]

Originally Posted by TRIDENT82

The "professional" user sadly doesn't get to take advantage of the rather mind pondering benefits of all the various neat looking polymer covers/rail panels since they have a very famous history of going tits up immediately when used in combat.

Oddly enough a pair of $15 base model Mechanix gloves provide an equal solution to the latest high speed rail cover.

Spot on. I have had covers come off plenty of times. The only ones I really trust are the ones from KAC. I would think that a properly attached screw on cover would be on as good as any back up sight.

Originally Posted by C4IGrant

No, not really. There are these special, exotic things called "Gloves" that mitigate the need for panels.

I haven't used panels in YEARS and have somehow survived.
C4

I could personally care less if any of my firearms show signs of use. You guys are both right about gloves, they do the job of protecting your hands from heat. Having very limited experience with the slick handguards I would think that having panels where you grip the handguard would help with traction as well as protect your hands from heat.

Any word on when the rail is going to be for sale? Grant, will you be selling them?

[forFREEDOM]

+1 on gloves for any type of rail system. I love these new Mechanix gloves.


Here are some close up shots of the HK416 version in 14.5" Sand Matte color:

These were contract by the DoD with very specific specs and requests. The same specs are applied to the M4/AR version minus the QD.


Unlike other rail systems, the Geissele rail I received for review was discretely textured. It felt very comfortable with a wood grain feel. Slots are beveled. All edges are smooth.


To me, the standard rail felt pretty light. The Geissele rail is 0.2 oz lighter per inch.







I can't say it's the best hand guard. But quality it next to none and it's definitely the most comfortable system I've ever felt. I have a match in a couple weeks. I'll let you know how it goes.

[montrala]

I think that this rail was not made to be light. Looks like (at least for me) that it was made to be strong, without unnecessary weight.

[forFREEDOM]

Absolutely. Some of the current rails would not even meet requirements. The AR/M4 versions strength will be at the bbl nut, similar to the HK version.

Bill mentioned that the rail could carry a soldier with gear by the sling if he were to be hung up on a heli skid.

[TRIDENT82]

Originally Posted by forFREEDOM

Bar none the nicest looking HK416 I've seen....granted I'm a long rail fan, but that Geissele rail makes that rifle's form flow soooo much cleaner at least to the naked eye. Thanks for sharing with us.

I'll try and tip off Bill to this thread, perhaps then he can help us out with any questions or availability dates/prices.

[13MPG]

Originally Posted by TRIDENT82

I'll try and tip off Bill to this thread, perhaps then he can help us out with any questions or availability dates/prices.

I called this morning and was told 4-6 more weeks. I did not even think to ask about the price.

[vicious_cb]

Originally Posted by forFREEDOM

Absolutely. Some of the current rails would not even meet requirements. The AR/M4 versions strength will be at the bbl nut, similar to the HK version.

Bill mentioned that the rail could carry a soldier with gear by the sling if he were to be hung up on a heli skid.

Looks like this handguard system is a winner. I dont think Ill ever find my self hanging off a helo skid by my sling, but I do see a new solid well made handguard in my future.

BTW, do you happen to have weight of your rail with and without the barrel nut?

[!Nvasi0n]

Looks like a solid design! It will no doubt perform as anticipated.

[TRIDENT82]

Originally Posted by 13MPG

I called this morning and was told 4-6 more weeks. I did not even think to ask about the price.

Ouch...GA typical misses their planned release dates for new products I've found by about 4-5weeks. Just using the SD line of trigger, S2S/G2S? line, and most recently even though technically not GA...the ALG triggers.

I sent Bill an email earlier so perhaps he will reply with some more details if he has the time which I can't imagine them having....I wish I could ask Bill G 1.34 million questions in all seriousness, thus I force myself to almost never ask any questions.

Thanks for the update, and I do believe these rails will be worth the wait in the end for those who require Geissele built machinery

[forFREEDOM]

Originally Posted by 13MPG

I called this morning and was told 4-6 more weeks. I did not even think to ask about the price.

Bill said they would be $360 for the HK416 rails. Should be the ballpark price for the M4/AR variants, but don't quote me on it. From what I've seen, the AR rail will come with a solid bbl nut that allows for a simple 2 screw attachment. So I'm not sure if price will vary.

Timing sounds about right. They are currently in full swing on AR production. Then they will switch the line back to 416/MR556 rail production.

[forFREEDOM]

Originally Posted by vicious_cb

Looks like this handguard system is a winner. I dont think Ill ever find my self hanging off a helo skid by my sling, but I do see a new solid well made handguard in my future.

BTW, do you happen to have weight of your rail with and without the barrel nut?

I did a full review for the HK guy... HK416/MR556 Geissele Rail

The HK rifles already have the same type bbl nut that will come with the AR, but not sure of the weight of it. I personally don't notice the extra weight from the added length (+5.5 inches) probably because it's so slim and comfortable to hold. Then again, it's an HK and known to be on the heavy side of the M4 variants. So I'm used to it.

I did do the math when comparing the stock 9 in HK rail to the G-rail per inch and the Geissele rail was .2 oz lighter per inch. That included the QD that's already built into the HK Geissele rail. My guess is that the AR will be slightly lighter than the HK version.

[TRIDENT82]

Turns out I received a reply email a little over 30 mins. after I sent my initial one...quite attentive to say the least I'll just post the short and sweet of the reply........

Availability: Forecast predicts the first ones available for sale to arrive next week...with the bullseye being Weds. I'm inclined to think this will be accurate as well.

Pricing: Prices are as follows. Black: 15” $375, 13”$345. Sand color will be $25 more. Each rail comes with the rail, cinch bolts, two allen wrenches, two short accessory rail and one long accessory rail with proper screws along with a barrel wrench that will install our barrel nut but also take off the stock one.

Rail nomenclature naming: I'll ask for you guys to weigh in if you'd like to about the name of these rails which will be:

The Geissele Super Modular Rail or SMR, MK1


I really like that name, and after thinking on it for a bit....I couldn't find any other rail that had similar or like namings. This is important to know prior to releasing the rails

Now some of you might have just caught on with the naming stuff that the MK1 term was used.....and not to your disappointment's, there will indeed be a MK2 being produced for later release. Which is something that I had not a clue about until just now reading it. I find this to be very big news in terms of both pleasing additional future potential buyer's wants/needs/budget, but also in terms of Geissele already letting the consumer/market know that they intend to aggressively attack and capture a piece of the AR rail segment. So essentially it appears to my own eyes that these initial rail models won't be 80's one hit wonders, but rather the beginning of a complete GA rail lineup.

So anyway, the SMR MK2.....

" I actually have another version of this rail coming out in two months or so. It will still use the same precision barrel nut system but will be less expensive, it will still have accessory rails but there will be some differences to make manufacturing easier. This will be the SMR MK2. I THINK prices will be about $75 less. "

Lastly, GA most certainly listens to M4C's opinion even when their presence isn't actually in the threads...and this discussion is a case and point. The following is a quote from Bill that shows that they didn't need "tipping off to the M4C audience", as they already had directly listened to some of you and already instituted changes in these rail's future designs based on them.

" I listened to the guys on M4 carbine who had mentioned a lack of anti rotation device on the rails I showed at shot so we figured one out and its incorporated in these rails. They are truly bomb proof. I need to find that thread (it might be the one you sent me) and get those guys address so I can hook them up for their good advice. "

It's so rare to be listened to by companies, and for them to put you first and foremost of importance when producing a product for a true hard use fighting rifle. Hard to even put a dollar value on what this brings to the table, but I think it's a large part of why folks should never have a problem spending a little more when buying Geissele built quality.

[Singlestack Wonder]

Originally Posted by TRIDENT82

Turns out I received a reply email a little over 30 mins. after I sent my initial one...quite attentive to say the least I'll just post the short and sweet of the reply........

Availability: Forecast predicts the first ones available for sale to arrive next week...with the bullseye being Weds. I'm inclined to think this will be accurate as well.

Pricing: Prices are as follows. Black: 15” $375, 13”$345. Sand color will be $25 more. Each rail comes with the rail, cinch bolts, two allen wrenches, two short accessory rail and one long accessory rail with proper screws along with a barrel wrench that will install our barrel nut but also take off the stock one.

Rail nomenclature naming: I'll ask for you guys to weigh in if you'd like to about the name of these rails which will be:

The Geissele Super Modular Rail or SMR, MK1


I really like that name, and after thinking on it for a bit....I couldn't find any other rail that had similar or like namings. This is important to know prior to releasing the rails

Now some of you might have just caught on with the naming stuff that the MK1 term was used.....and not to your disappointment's, there will indeed be a MK2 being produced for later release. Which is something that I had not a clue about until just now reading it. I find this to be very big news in terms of both pleasing additional future potential buyer's wants/needs/budget, but also in terms of Geissele already letting the consumer/market know that they intend to aggressively attack and capture a piece of the AR rail segment. So essentially it appears to my own eyes that these initial rail models won't be 80's one hit wonders, but rather the beginning of a complete GA rail lineup.

So anyway, the SMR MK2.....

" I actually have another version of this rail coming out in two months or so. It will still use the same precision barrel nut system but will be less expensive, it will still have accessory rails but there will be some differences to make manufacturing easier. This will be the SMR MK2. I THINK prices will be about $75 less. "

Lastly, GA most certainly listens to M4C's opinion even when their presence isn't actually in the threads...and this discussion is a case and point. The following is a quote from Bill that shows that they didn't need "tipping off to the M4C audience", as they already had directly listened to some of you and already instituted changes in these rail's future designs based on them.

" I listened to the guys on M4 carbine who had mentioned a lack of anti rotation device on the rails I showed at shot so we figured one out and its incorporated in these rails. They are truly bomb proof. I need to find that thread (it might be the one you sent me) and get those guys address so I can hook them up for their good advice. "

It's so rare to be listened to by companies, and for them to put you first and foremost of importance when producing a product for a true hard use fighting rifle. Hard to even put a dollar value on what this brings to the table, but I think it's a large part of why folks should never have a problem spending a little more when buying Geissele built quality.

Trident82:

FYI...Your mailbox is full.......

[forFREEDOM]

+1 Trident. He's a true believer that if he makes something special..."the creme will rise." And that special comes from his good listening on solid feedback.

I'm also liking the name Geissele SMR MK1. I was just wondering what product name designation he would give it. I hope this one sticks.

Thanks for sharing!

[13MPG]

Good news! Thanks for the update.

forFreedom, great looking rifle and thanks for the info.

[TRIDENT82]

My pleasure brother.

I learned some more info today, and now I do believe end users will see these rails hit their hands any day now. I also learned some other things going down at GA that are incredibly exciting.

I'll refrain from going any further on that point at the moment since I don't even have any secret squirrel info yet, but suffice to say that Geissele Automatics won't be known as just a trigger company much longer...I see now why they just brought in ultra high dollar machines and moved into a brand new shop, they are doing some serious things!

If my wildest fantasies become a reality, I'll have a number of pics, and some early info, and thoughts in regards to the 13" SMR MK1 tommorow evening

[TRIDENT82]

Singlestack....my bad brother, I need to get on top of that and will clean it up asap. If you can, hit me up via the email link I have on here as it's always nice to talk a little shop with you.


So yesterday morning I had no imminent plans for one of these rails, but yesterday afternoon I learned that one had just shipped out, and was headed my way....well, less than 24 hrs. after being shipped I just had the visit from the brown truck (most appropriate use of an emoticon I've made in a really long time)

Until I gather some early thoughts, and take several quality pics, I'll post a little something to get the appetite wet....



Several things will honestly blow you away on this rail immediately upon touching it and seeing it....but the way this damn thing feels in your hand is certainly unlike anything Ive ever even come close to feeling. The top coat finishing has a wildly awesome texture to it...again nothing like I've ever felt or seen before.

Also the barrel nut design is sheer genius...talk about reduced upper/barrel flex, and also talk about superior heat dissipation properties over everything I would imagine except for LMT's monolithic chassis and the way in which it captures the barrel. So much weakness enters into the equation via a traditional AR barrel/upper hookup, and by extension the traditional barrel nut that holds everything together.

Oh yeah, see that install tool included.....that thing should be worth at least $30-40, and basing it off the URX wrench it should be worth over a $100. Its not like a DPMS or one time use tool, this thing is truly built a little too well...especially considering that at SHOT show IIrc these weren't even to be included with the rails. This touch alone will win many folks over I promise.

[m1ajunkie]

When and where can we purchase these rails?

The wait is killer, as this is the perfect rail for my precision .223 upper.

Trident, if possible I would like to see pics of the barrel nut when installed on the rifle. From what I've read this geiselle rail will secure the barrel like none other. FWIW, I'm also thinking of KAC URX 3.

[montrala]

Originally Posted by TRIDENT82

Also the barrel nut design is sheer genius...

Barrel nut is actually "patterned" after HK416 barrel nut.

[bullittmcqueen]

this rail is beautiful, but that pricing just made me cry a little bit. more than likely thats going to rule it out for me....